UPDATE: Vonderhaar has also confirmed on Twitter (due note: the game is currently in pre-pre-Alpha stage and everything mentioned is subject to change) that Scavenger perk will be returning, while the Toughness perk will not.

However, Vahn has stated that flinch in Black Ops 3 is in between using Toughness and not using Toughness (Black Ops 2 versions).


Original Story:

David Vonderhaar has confirmed on Twitter that the Dead Silence Perk will be returning in Black Ops 3 multiplayer. His tweet also mentions that the perk is currently in the Perk 3 slot, but the slot could change before launch. Dead Silence allows silenced movement while moving across the maps in multiplayer.

Dead Silence wasn’t made available as a perk in Advanced Warfare; Sledgehammer Games changed it into an Ability with limited time use only.

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  • Guywithbrains

    Another thing fans will be happy about. It seems like they can read our minds.

    • I barely used dead silence in BO2 but I guess it’s good for those who want it.

      • Guywithbrains

        Same here. I played with attitude “go loud and proud”. Ended up getting a lot of deaths though…

        • However, I hope they learnt and have made built in toughness… I know some people didn’t even use it but lets face it, almost everyone had to use it. Waste of a perk really

      • S&D is really the only place I use it. Glad it’s returning as a perk

        • Yep, that’s where I also threw it on if I was playing against really good players. But normally I didn’t feel like it was necessary to use

          • If I am against sound whoring try hards (like myself) then I will use it in almost every game mode

  • KernosT

    And there is my must use perk No.1 I hope atleast everyone has toughness built in.I mean if they can have chipsets shoved in their brain.Then toughness is surely possible as a default thing.

  • Matt

    So I assume they shall need something to couner Dead Silence so we can assume sound whoring will be back.

  • VVFZ

    Thank god. But it won’t really matter since footsteps are generally very quiet without dead silence in Treyarch games anyways. Probably only useful in S&D.

  • Thank you Based Vonderhaar

  • ScOott

    I hate foot steps, and using perks to counter them .. I don’t use headphones :-/

    • Everything needs a counter. Also I highly suggest a headset for gaming. You can get a decent one for 50 to 70 US Dollars

      • ScOott

        I play cod split screen, would be a bit ignorant of me :-p … I would pick some up otherwise ..

        • Split-screen? You miss out on a lot then. *shrugs*

          • ScOott

            Not really straight after work I get about 3 hours splIt screen cod time with the wife .. She goes to work, I get to play anyother multiplayer If i want .. And then at night we will complete story driven games.. Currently getting borderlands handsom collection done intime for witcher 3.. Have to take it in turns on single player games but it’s no biggy, wouldn’t have it anyother way… And that’s me ! lol cool story ay *eye rolling face*

    • LovekillerX

      Same here. I don’t need any headphones because I don’t listen to footsteps so much. Different thing if I hear someone walking on something metallic (looking at MW3 Dome sidewalk)

      • I rarely use in-game sound and have no troubles, i rather play with music on

        • Random

          Are you one of these who has a mic on too, blaring music out to the masses? I mean it’s easy to mute those people but it’s still pretty annoying.

      • ScOott

        Well neither do I but everyone makes out having these perks and having a headset is so essesntial, that I sometime wonder if I am missing something, never played so I wouldn’t know … I supose it balances it out, as people use a perk slot on this perk n we can have something else ..

        • Aceshigh87

          You do hear A LOT more when you have a quality headset. I got a mediocre pair of Turtle Beach’s back in MW2 and was blown away by the amount of things I hadn’t been hearing. The “upgrade” to Sony Pulse wasn’t really worth it since the stupid bass boost killed most sounds but so far so good on Astro A40’s.

          In any case, now it just sounds like I’m bragging. Point is that even if you don’t want a “competitive edge” headsets are nice. Gives you a lot more immersion into games regardless of if its MP or not. For example, I’ve played Alien:Isolation with 3 different sound setups: Stereo TV speakers, 5.1 Surround Setup, and Astro A40’s. I can say without a doubt that the A40’s have immersed me in the game the most of the three.

          • ScOott

            It doesn’t sound like your bragging at all to me, i have no idea! Your naming of headphones may as well be in a different language to me :-p … But yh I can imagine how good it would be, maybe one day for me…

    • Therockbrothers

      Well, don’t forget that dead silence also stops your character from screaming random things like; GRENADE!!!, ENEMY SNIPER!! and that kind of stuff.

      • ScOott

        I forgot about that .. Still will never use the perk tho ..

    • Xx_COLSEY_xX

      Yeah same. I play very good without headsets. Besides, I’m so unlucky when it comes to headsets. BO2 stats: K.D.R – 3:23 W.L.R – 2.98 SPM – 402 (Not bragging but just trying to prove a point)

  • jordanxbrookes

    Thankyou Vahn. Now please tell me Toughness is built into the soldier.

    • LovekillerX

      Toughness will return according to LongSensation.

      • How do you know?

        • LovekillerX

          I read it somewhere on Twitter. I don’t remember if it was LongSensation or one of pre-alpha players (big Youtubers).

          EDIT: Check tweets above (my comment) where LongSensation claims that Toughness is returning.

          • Well I hope you’re right 🙂

            EDIT: oh well 🙁

          • Daniel

            He did confirm but his info is old so 3arc already took it out

      • Tsaki

        Well, according to David Vonderhaar, it is not returning and that is really good news. I hate that in every class I have in Black OPS 2, Ghosts (perk Focus) and Advanced Warfare this perk is in, as it is a complete necessity in these games.

      • Long Sensation? Seriously? You guys trust him?

    • This would be fantastic ?

    • Freeze

      LS leaked perks and claims Toughness is in the build

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      It’s not.

    • Deadly Ed

      Why should toughness be built in? Cant you handle the flinch when getting hit?

      • jordanxbrookes

        I can handle flinch, but Toughness shouldn’t be a perk. It should either be built-in or completely taken out.

        EDIT: Vonderhaar confirms Toughness is gone.

        • Ysi

          Taken away

        • Xx_COLSEY_xX

          I agree with you. I have good accuracy 24.89%. So whenever I’m in a gunfight and I use Toughness and the guy that I’m shooting at has only scavenger and he beats me only because he was shooting me in the stomach and I shot him then he flinches and gets that lucky headshot (Refering to BO2). No Toughness = Lottery! Therefore it should be built in to the solder, and not a perk.

        • Deadly Ed

          id rather it be gone completely

      • Michael:GodOfEWN

        Flinch sucks. Plain and simple. Everyone can handle flinch with toughness but it makes no sense to have super soldiers and still have them flinch without a perk.

      • Choppabro2psn

        Not in advanced warfare. You get shot at and you gun is literally skyward.

    • Static_Oz

      As a Very Passionate SnD player I’m on the rope about Dead silence being back. I HATE having loud footsteps or even hearing my own footsteps.

      But on the other hand. I’ll be forced to use the Dead silence perk while playing SnD (So other players can’t hear me from half way across the map). And I’m sure Dead silence will have a counter perk that a lot of SnD players will use also. So that’s two perk slots.

      Being forced to used these perks was the problem in the past CODs and AW tried to fix that. WE DONT WANT PERKS THAT WE BASICALLY HAVE TO USE. I’m sure most SnD players have similar views?

      • bad2daboner

        I agree if played over 2000 games of snd and the dead silence perk is amazingly helpful. Its saved my life more than once.

      • Lee ‘Leady’ Leadbitter

        the problem is though AW footsteps were too quiet anyway, like i could only ever hear them when it was too late to be able to react, which meant exo mute wasnt even needed. They need to find that fine line that allows decent footstep volume but doesnt allow it to get abused. Remove the need for both perks depending on which way you go can cause problems. Too loud and you get sound whored across the map, too quiet and you remove that competitive element from the game and essentially remove the ability for the player to use their sense of hearing. I dont think having either of these perks is an overly bad idea, provided they are balanced out properly, or dont bother with these perks at all and just ensure the footstep volume is done properly.

        • Static_Oz

          100% agree. I’m torn about how I feel about dead silence being back. But I think I would rather have it in the game, then have it like it is in AW

          • asda

            They should either build it in or keep it as a perk. Mute was extremely useful in AW I thought as it makes your exo movements almost silent for your enemies (Yes I know you can still hear them yourself) the enemies can still hear it but they have to be very close.

            BO2 foot noise was the best in the series. I like that it’s a perk to be honest as you can punish people who don’t use it in a slow paced game mode like S&D.

      • jordanxbrookes

        Well if you’ve played Black Ops or Black Ops 2, you’ll know footsteps are generally quiet anyway.

        • Static_Oz

          Treyarch will likely rebuild the Sound engine for their 1st Gen2 COD.
          So predicting the sound may not be as easy as thought.
          The clarity and range of the footsteps is not what bothers me. Personally I would prefer to be able to hear my enemies.

          What I have a problem with is The two perks slots I will be forced to use when play SnD. (Dead silence and Awareness) Most good SnD players have High $$ headsets and knowing that, most will be equipped with dead silence. Awareness will help utilize their high $$ headsets.

          I don’t wanna have to use these perks. When they are a must use on almost every class.

          There isn’t a easy answer to this problem. But you must not be naïve to think it’s NOT a problem.

          If it wasn’t a problem AW would not have tried to fix it. I don’t have a answer for this problem. But I wish someone did 🙁

          • Random

            Problem: everyone uses DS and Awareness in conjunction with each other. Solution: make it so if you use one, the other is unable to be equipped. Seeing as they have 2 slots per perk tier now, it would have to be a straight block on using it. A bit like you can’t use a silencer and a muzzle brake on the same weapon. That way there has to be a choice between keeping quiet, or listening out for those trying to keep quiet.

          • jordanxxxbrookes

            Only the best players even do things like this. SBMM isn’t going to be like AW so the amount of skilled players using soundwhoring perks with Astros, Turtle Beaches, etc are going to be very few. You can’t assume the average COD player is some Youtube allstar or some guy that is on CharlieIntel. Your average Joe isn’t trying to soundwhore or silence their footsteps unless he’s playing SND or maybe FFA. Your average faster paced game mode player is essentially just moving around pressing buttons or slowing moving around getting flanked.

          • Random

            Really though? The masses watch and listen to the advice of the likes of Drift0r, Ali-A and Tmartn, who would advise the use of these perks and tactics. So to say only the best players would employ such tactics is pretty naive. It’s also not that hard to work out that these perks can be extremely useful even if you’re just the average Joe who picks up the game for an hour or so a week.

        • Daniel

          Blops 1 footsteps were loud as fuck I didnt even need a blackbird to know my enemies position

      • Kevin Anthony

        What is the point of the perk if u dont have to use. Smh. Yall complain about everything.

        • jordanxxxbrookes

          EXACTLY. It’s because a perk like Dead Silence or Toughness especially are perks where guys have to make a decision if they want to use it or something else. We know most COD players don’t want to actually adjust so they’ll just call something a crutch perk. Not because they have to use it but because they’ve convinced themselves not using it puts them at some disadvantage they can’t overcome.

          • Static_Oz

            I don’t need to Convince myself I need Dead Silence. (It’s common knowledge to any SnD player with a brain) If I play SnD without it. Half of the enemy team will know my position before I can even see them.
            So yes I am being forced to use it.

            Since 90% of SND players use dead silence why not just build it in? It wouldn’t really affect other game types since footsteps aren’t used near as much. You can still use the Awareness perk for players with headsets that wish to hear footsteps.

        • yz

          Constructive criticism.

          Very different.

        • Static_Oz

          You obviously don’t Play competitive SnD lmao!

      • jordanxxxbrookes

        I thought that was a big part of SND? I mean I guess with the past few CODs people have gotten hip to footsteps. But COD games like COD4 and MW2 it wasn’t quite the same. It’s a slower yet intense mode so nuances like footsteps are important.

        • Static_Oz

          I like hearing footsteps. I just would prefer dead silence being built in. But yet still have The awareness perk in the game.

      • Kyle G

        I wouldn’t mind if there wasn’t any perks that modified footstep volume.

        Footsteps should be audible at closer ranges; you shouldn’t be able to sprint right by someone without being able to hear them.

      • TightNinja

        People need to realize perks a built for other game modes too…not just your favorite game mode. I personally want Hardcore Headquarters back, but that is not going to happen.

        Complaining about perks is in part why CoD has fallen off. I don’t care what perks or kill streaks anyone uses. Teamwork overcomes them all. It is just annoying when people whine to the point they nerf or alter the game so much..ghost, second chance, dead silence, only two grenade slots, no tac insert,etc etc. Its just annoying. Man up and play the game.

        • Static_Oz

          It’s constructive criticism. And the community has a voice and we need to use it. I could go on and on and on about all the great things I love in this game. But I choose to bring light on things that could make this game more enjoyable for the majority of players.

          I can tell you don’t play SnD so my comment wasn’t for you.

      • BAMozzy69 .

        I tend to use Dead Silence as I can’t stand the sound of my own footsteps predominantly – the fact others can’t is almost a bonus in most game modes. I understand your point of view, but as someone who creates their class according to game mode as well as play style, then a lot of perks are more necessary in certain game modes.
        Just because Dead Space is ‘essential’ to SnD players, doesn’t mean that other perks aren’t essential in other game modes too. Blast Shield is essential to Dom/Hardpoint players, Lighweight/Marathon is essential to CTF type game modes – although all these perks have advantages in other modes, they are pretty much the first choice in these.
        There are always perks that are ‘essential’ for certain game modes, If they removed or adjusted Dead Silence, there would be another ‘perk’ that would be seen as essential

      • chris

        Advanced warfare didn’t fix anything, they destroyed the game,its the first time in my life i had to return a cod game

    • It is, but weakend according to Vahn.

    • Sexy Mcgee

      If sleight of hand isn’t in, whether a perk or built in, I’m not getting this.

      • jordanxxxbrookes

        Sleight of Hand is another one of those pretty much universal perks I forgot to mention. Although people sort of reload unnecessarily anyway, I didn’t mind AW’s fast reload thing either…That being said you’ll be playing the game at 12:01am the day it’s released whether SOH is in or not, You sound like me when I leave Chinese Buffet talking about I’m eating healthy tomorrow lmao.

        • Sexy Mcgee

          You’re probably right, but I’ll still be incredibly annoyed if it’s not in. However, based on some of the things I’m finding out about this game and Treyarch’s pedigree I think they have more sense than to take it out.

    • jordanxxxbrookes

      Why ask about Scavenger since that’s a perk that is pretty much always in COD and one of the few perks that has universal acceptance besides Lightweight and maybe Hardline…Asking about Juggernaut, Sit Rep and fortunately Dead Silence would have been better question seeing as how they are more polarizing.

    • You’re welcome.

    • Mick

      Hopefully scavenger works exactly like it does in bo2 ?

    • Uwant2bmlgsobaaad

      Same bitches complaining that aw took away their casual fun are the same people trying to sound whore noobs or people that just run around and play for fun. Gimme a fuckn break.

  • LovekillerX

    So today we are going to hear about (possible?) scorestreaks. LongSensation is doing a leak week so everyone who is interested check it out when information is available. You can also read his information from Zombies mode by checking his YT channel.

    https://twitter.com/Long_Sensation/status/593096041307725824

    • Will WilFredo Mendoza

      My question is how all these bastard leakers get this information??

      • LovekillerX

        I don’t know but his “leaker” has info which has been 90% correct this far.

    • Michael:GodOfEWN

      How legit is this person? Never heard of him.

      • Daniel

        He was the one who leaked every bo3 information, posters so far

        • Michael:GodOfEWN

          Hmm I’ll give him a shot then.

        • He wasn’t, a Gamestop employee leaked them on Reddit.

          • Daniel

            Nope, he did it slightly before and leaked other info like the setting, mp info all 90% accurate so far

          • bill

            ur a fag

          • bill

            dick

          • bill

            get a life and stop living with ur prents u old creepy gay freaks

  • The perks I hope for:
    Lightweight
    Flakjacket
    Toughness
    Awareness
    Fast Hands
    Sleight of hand

    • blackburnt7

      ehm no toughness please.

      • DEMOLITION12

        toughness needs to go

    • Xx_COLSEY_xX

      The perks I hope for:
      Scavenger
      Toughness
      Engineer
      Flak jacket
      Tactical mask
      Ghost
      Sleight Of Hand
      On the go

      • Static_Oz

        I hope there is no Toughness perk. It should be built or removed completely.

  • Ysi

    no…noo…..NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    • Will WilFredo Mendoza

      umad? 🙂

      • Ysi

        I’m more like sad than mad, everyone is gonna spam this perk, hopefully there is no toughness

  • LovekillerX

    Those who didn’t get 6 attachments thing (dummies like me lol):

    https://twitter.com/DavidVonderhaar/status/593082599217594368

    • RdJokr

      Much as it’d be cool to run around with a five-attachment gun, the Pick 10 system is really limiting it here. IMO, they should give us 3 more slots for 3 perks or something. This is where Pick 13 would do well.

      • It might be op in bo3

      • The Flash

        Pick 13 was only in AW because the scorestreaks were part of a class, they’re not in BO3. But i’d personally have pick 13 too

    • Bolbi Stroganovsky

      Interesting…Hopefully there will be more attachments for the less used weapon categories like shotgun and sniper

    • iTYPE2ANNOY

      ugh i guess “wildcards” are back….AKA screwing you over if you want more customization

      • Meh

        Balance my friend.

  • LovekillerX
    • The Flash

      i hated how ghost was split into 3 different perks after BO1, it was fine in BO1, they could’ve just made it slightly harder to get.

  • Freeze

    yay, I just keep loving everything about dis game!

    • Ryumoau

      me too! 😀

      • Freeze

        HE :). If I preorder on the PSn Store where do I get the beta code?

        • Aceshigh87

          So far as I know if you pre-order digitally you’ll simply get a download of the beta when it goes live without needing a code. Not sure where I read that but pretty sure it’s what I saw. Makes sense really since the code just hooks the beta up to your account whereas buying digital would do the same thing automatically.

          • Freeze

            Thank you very much for the response! I am worry free now, good day!

        • Ryumoau

          it says you get access to the beta, so i’m thinking it will probably just automatically add the beta to your download library whenever it comes out.

          • Freeze

            thnx mate I just preordered

  • Deadly Ed

    So no surprise then. It was in AW as an exo ability. but its pointless because you cant hear peoples footsteps in that game. So no need for it.
    I cant believe they still haven’t patched it, so you can actually hear when people are running right near you.O_o

  • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

    Great for people who bought $300 headsets for no real reason, bad for people who think it’s a waste.

  • jahladagaming

    So we are actually going to hear footsteps again? Sound whoring for the rich (expensive headsets)

  • Bolbi Stroganovsky

    //smiles awkwardly at my Astro A50s

  • Aceshigh87

    Really hoping this means footsteps will be audible again. It wasn’t bad in BO2 and ghosts with my Sony headset but I went out and got A40’s (used so the price wasn’t bad) and have unfortunately gotten very little PS4 use out of them because you can’t heat AW footsteps regardless of what headset you use.

  • Michael:GodOfEWN

    I’ve never used dead silence unless I was using specialist in mw3. Black ops- Hacker pro, Black ops 2- Dexterity and/or Tactical mask.

  • Michael:GodOfEWN

    Also I want slight of hand. Fast mags in bo2 was horrible besides the exception of the evo and an94.

    • Xx_COLSEY_xX

      YES! We need Sleight Of Hand. I don’t mind Fast mag but having Sleight Of Hand would be awesome. Also I liked the Speed reload idea in AW, so if they don’t add in Sleight Of Hand, maybe add in Speed reload?

      • zipher123

        You guys knows that they’re the same right? Fast mags’ animation for both reloads is the exact same time.

    • Tsaki

      Dude, Sleight of Hand and Fast Mags (at least the Black OPS 2 version) have exactly the same effect. Please, complain and ask change in areas of the game that really need our attention, not this…

      • Michael:GodOfEWN

        You high?

  • Guywithbrains

    I am waiting to see what subjects are going to be in these videos today:

    https://twitter.com/Drift0r/status/593114440804892672

  • Michael:GodOfEWN

    P.s. The last two COD’s had infected. I wouldn’t mind infected being in Treyarch to be honest. Would be a neat addition to party games (assuming they’re coming back) for treyarch. I have to get on mw3 whenever I get an itch to play some infected.

    • Bolbi Stroganovsky

      I second this; and please Trearch, DON’T BLOCK OFF AREAS THAT SHOULDN’T BE BLOCKED (shrubs, bushes, etc.) I’m usually the one that plays hide in Infected.

    • zack

      Treyarch is the king of party playlists. They started it all with wager matches in black ops 1. In black ops 2 they had “turned” which was in my opinion better than ghosts and aw infected. I hope they do a upgraded version of turned.

    • The Flash

      yes I would love for them to bring Infected into the fold with maybe a sombie twist, the infected soldiers are zombies, its so great on MW3, it sucks on Ghosts and AW because of the stupid knife anims and 12 player cap

    • Daniel

      WAGER MATCHES I need cod points backkkkkk

  • burrgee

    “I dont agree with this, The only thing dead silence does is help campers sitting behind a door with thier Astros turned up to the max listening for footsteps then pops out and blows you away, so annoying”

    • XtremeK1ll3r

      In xbox one you can listen footsteps with the official headsets , 45 $ lol , you dont need to buy Astros headsets
      I have Tritton 720+ and i play on stereo i dont like 7.1 hahahah

    • Static_Oz

      I think you have it backwards. Dead silence would not help the campers. They couldn’t hear you if you had dead silence.

      And how would dead silence help campers if they aren’t walking/moving?

  • Guywithbrains

    PC version might get some kind of pro version of Paintshop.

    https://twitter.com/pcdev/status/593112219610697729

    • burrgee

      I think pc players will get more love this year, is it true this game was made for pcs then ported to consoles.

      • The Flash

        3arc have been doing no ports, they are being built from the ground up for PC and Xbox One and PS4

    • Biff Ibkus

      It’ll probably just be way easier, maybe the ability to import photos or something?

    • Here’s what Vahn replied. https://twitter.com/DavidVonderhaar/status/593268274541924352
      So maybe we can draw in the camo creator, not just add overlays?

  • Thank god. Treyarch is the real MVP

  • Mark

    “Perk 3” sigh… I was hoping the perks weren’t locked to a certain level. For example I may want 3 perks from perk 1 and 3 from perk 3 but none from perk 2 but can only choose 2 from each.

  • LovekillerX

    Driftor told that C4 got reworked. It must touch the ground before it can be detonated. Now if I understood right your C4 also tells you when enemy is near your C4 (motion sensor thing on it) and now blast radius is bigger. But however you can’t now spam it by throwing it in the air all the time.

    Note: it is in pre-alpha.

  • Poplur33

    Does anyone know if digital version of a game is worse (I got xbox one). Is it worse performance or laggier? On 360 I usually would download the game and put the disk in and it would run slightly smoother. What’s the point of the disc if it takes up 50gb on the console anyway? Other than selling the game there’s no reason to buy disk right?

    • Siftblade of Rivia

      Disk or download doesn’t affect lag unless your console memory is full, at which point your entire console would be stuttering. I prefer disk because I like showing the games off on my shelf. Also a digital download uses way more space. On a disk, the core of the game is on the disk.

      • Poplur33

        Dang bc the digital deluxe is $100. The disk deluxe is probably going to be $110. I’ll probably get disk anyway

  • Tricky VIk

    “All I want is Sabotage now, adrenaline rush and getting the chance to show the comrades and other players in the lobby what you’re made of when you are the last one alive.”

    • ysi

      THANK YOU!!!! i miss sabotage, its the first objective mode i ever played 😀

  • ysi

    just for your information, NO MORE PANIC KNIFES IN COD 🙂

    • Xx_COLSEY_xX

      This really doesn’t mean anything to me anyway. Knifing in BO2 with a gun in my hand was impossible to kill anyone for me, but for other people they can knife lunge while they have got their gun in hand. It felt like they had commando pro.

  • ysi

    toughness is not in game WIIIIIIIII

  • Reckless_Gamer45

    Frozen 2 confirmed

    • Dr. Salim

      I don’t get it.

      • Tricky VIk

        xD “Me neither.”

  • Blaine

    I love how open they are being with this game, so far ahead of launch. Treyarc is the premiere COD dev, I’m not even going to bother with IW and SHG games anymore.

  • ghosts sucks

    Just got xbox one! BO3 HERE I COME

  • jordanxxxbrookes

    Toughness wasn’t as strong or as necessary in AW as it was in BO2 though. I’m sure people convinced themselves it was necessary because of course any death isn’t our fault, it’s the OP gun, other guy being a “tryhard” or lack of a perk. AW is so fast paced and the top guns kill you so fast that toughness won’t make much of a difference unless you’re in a longer range fight. Toughness isn’t going to affect your stats either way by more than .05 at best…So if it’s similar to AW it won’t be a big issue. Even if it was in the game just put Sleight of Hand and Hardline in same perk slot and less folks would use it.

  • Jacob

    Will there be a perk like toughness? If not will there be any flinch when shot?

  • Aaron V

    I hope Toughness will be built-in from now on in every future CoD game. It makes no logical sense to have it as a perk anymore. Unfair advantages in Multiplayer games are never good.

  • cb765

    It’s upsetting that Treyarch did not use a big chunk of there 3 years to tackle the perks riddle and finally balance that situation out once and for all . It seems like every time a COD game comes out we have this same debate .
    ADS sway should should not be in black ops 3 at all since everyone will have cybernetic arms and stillness fatigue will not be an issue .
    1 thing i hated about BO2 was running out of bullets , so since we are part robot in 3 I see no reason why we can’t have increased ammo capacity across all weapon classes without the need for a perk .

    • Aaron V

      It’s still a game though, so you can’t always go all out with everything. Things still need to be limited. But i agree with things like gun sway, just let players use their gun skill to the best of their ability. Don’t try to hinder it.

    • jordanxxxbrookes

      You haven’t made a compelling argument as to why this is an issue for anyone other than you though. I get we’re all a lil seflish when it comes to what we want or don’t want in COD games…But this is a lil too transparent. Use dual mags, extended mags or/and Scavenger if you have an issue with running out of bullets. Idle sway isn’t that big of a deal unless you have a sniper anyway. Are you just ADSing all game or something? BO2’s Scavenger was crazy good, kept ammo following, could refill your nades/C4 too. Just because you chose to use another perk or upset that you couldn’t use another perk due to using Scavenger doesn’t mean their 3 year dev cycle was tainted.

    • jooker-jr

      Since soldiers will use cybernetic parts for their bodies, they will much stronger thus we heavier weapons with stronger and bigger rounds to kill them.

  • cb765

    Treyarch created a problem for them self’s when they gave head phones an enhanced sound code , now head phones are like a video game miracle ear , and this is ruining competitive play in all game modes . Headphones are over powered .

    • DEMOLITION12

      i dont think you know what ur talking about

  • cb765

    In blkops3 everyone is cyborgs so sleight of hand should be built in especially since our arms will be completely cybernetic .

    • jooker-jr

      Weapons will be heavy in the future since soldiers use cybernetic parts ( which makes current weapons useless )

  • Ričards Jansons

    Bring back Amplify!!!

  • Toughness is gone!? Thank God! <3

  • Party Games are returning in Call of Duty: Black Ops III

  • Billy Bedlam

    dont need tougnhness waste of a slot

  • Smayo

    Lightweight N/A what does this mean exactly ??

    • not announced

      • Smayo

        Ah oke thanks, hope it’s not coming back, at least not that it makes you move faster

        • Random

          I think it actually means not applicable, as in there will be no need for lightweight. You should be able to run the same speed with all weapons, because bionic arms/legs. I could be wrong though.

          • Smayo

            Hopefully you’re right, I still have nightmares from the bo2 SMG/pistol/lightweight BS deaths, camera mindfuckery

  • pulseimpact

    Very very offtopic, but I would like them to fix that Turned mode in zombies. It was really bad and boring. Make it more like infection or better yet make it like a real survival mode in a small map with buyable weapons and zombies are just slightly faster than regular players and 2 humans vs 6 zombies most time as human wins.

    • Tricky VIk

      “They need to make it 18 players MAX.”

  • DEMOLITION12

    demolition???

  • cromthelaughinggod7

    What made black ops good were the guns were accurate and balanced. You could use all of the guns in the game to a degree. I could shoot someone with the famas or commando from a long distance and didn’t need a sniper rifle unless I wanted to challenge myself. AW guns are horrible. All of them have too much recoil and if the recoil is low the damage is low. Not worth playing. Also you can accidentally hit the mele punch when trying to shoot. It happens a lot. I rather play bf4 than cod aw. That game is bs.

    • jooker-jr

      I think I’m three only one who think that AW have low recoil.

      Also “I could shoot someone with the famas or commando from a long distance and didn’t need a sniper rifle unless I wanted to challenge myself”, that’s not a good balancing either.

    • Tricky VIk

      “I wish the RPK was better, that thing had potential.”

  • BAMozzy69 .

    Personally I feel that Toughness is one of those ‘mus have’ perks for the majority. Maybe not necessary for those proper snipers or shotgunners where their first shot kills but for those that get involved in gunfights its essential. I therefore can understand why it’s removed but think with all the ‘enhancements’, flinch would be reduced more significantly.
    I too use Dead Silence a lot, not just for Stealth but also because I hate hearing my own footsteps. It allows me to hear the direction of battle easier. I use this more than things like being invisible to radar as its working for me more frequently.
    I know Dead Silence is almost an essential perk to SnD players but that’s the point of Perks to a degree – to set yourself up for the type of game mode or play style. You could argue that ‘Lightweight’ is essential for those players that want to Capture the Flag or Blast Shield is essential for Hardpoint/Domination players. I know Lightweight is unlikely to return based on the early information – everyone has unlimited sprint so Marathon is built in.

  • Chris

    If headquarters or demolition isn’t in this game i am not buying it,i remember my friends list always showing everyone playing cod, after AW i noticed maybe 1 or 2 out of hundreds playing, treyarch and the BO franchise has never left me down so me and all my friends are hoping treyarch returns the fan favorites instead of putting 5 different versions of SnD in the game, uplink,infested or other trash game modes etc..bring back the originals that put cod on the map, stop getting cute with the game bc your losing your diehard gamers

  • Hiya_tiger

    as long as there is a counter to dead silence that works, I’m all for it.

  • wastie

    how is the game in pre pre alpha at this time?

  • Scott Freeman

    All i wanna know is will we actually be able to hear enemy footsteps? I deleted AW because I couldn’t hear sh*t except gunfire and the annoying sound whenever you get a headshot, payback, long shot, etc etc.

  • Freeway

    Advanced Warfare was terrible as was Ghosts. No idea how they plan on getting fan base back when BO3 is missing some of BO2’s best features.