Treyarch has just released a new update for the Black Ops 3 beta on Xbox One, and the update includes weapon changes and specialist tuning. Vonderhaar has stated that these changes were also made to the PS4 beta when the beta was live last week.

M8A7

  • Increased time in between bursts –
  • Has a slightly increased upward recoil pattern –

Drakon

  • Increased Recoil
  • Fire rate is a little faster
  • Hitting an enemy in the upper chest no longer 1-hit kills. Neck up does 1-hit kill

Razorback

  • Used to kill in 4 shots out to 1250 units, now should only kill in 4 shots out to 800. Anything beyond 800 should take 5 shots to kill. 850 units is roughly the length of the bridge on Hunted.
  • Slightly increased recoil

HVK

  • Hip spread size is a little smaller.

Vesper

  • Used to kill in 4 shots out to 350 units, now should only kill in 4 shots out to 300. Anything beyond 300 units will be at least 5 shots to kill.

Haymaker

  • Fire rate has increased by about 10%. Should be noticeable. Should take roughly 2.25 seconds to empty a standard magazine.

KRM

  • Up close damage increased. Should never cause a non-lethal hit within 250 units. Damage at a further distance has been reduced and can’t 1 hit kill as far out, even when ADS.

XR-2

  • Delay between bursts has been reduced by a frame, very slight change.

Kinetic Armor

  • Lasts 7 seconds now instead of 5

Active Camo

  • Lasts 5 seconds now instead of 4

Glitch

  • Takes 2 full minutes to earn with no score, up from 1.5 minutes.
  • Travels back 700 units, down from 800

Vision Pulse

  • Range is 1400 units, down from 1600

Ripper

  • Takes 2 full minutes to earn with no score, down from 3 minutes.
  • Lasts for 20 seconds if no attacks are made, up from 15 seconds.

Tempest

  • Beam has a slightly smaller width. Have to be more on target to hit enemies
  • Time in deathcam after being killed is now 2.5 seconds, down from 3

Speed Burst

  • Stays on when moving at full speed after activating for 5.5 seconds, up from 5

War Machine

  • Clip size is now 6, down from 8
  • Explosion radius damage is slightly reduced

Rejack

  • Takes 3 full minutes to earn with no score, down from 2 minutes.
  • The animation time to get up from the Rejack has been increased from 1 second to 1.5 seconds.

SOURCE: Reddit

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  • Ahah

  • Patch Notes on a 5 day Beta just seem weird!

    • Primey_

      Why? A Beta is to test and tweak things. They want feedback and it’s a perfect time to do it.

      • Because it ends in like a day.

        Lol.

        • Primey_

          So?

        • jordanxbrookes

          Just because it ends for us, doesn’t mean it ends for them. They still have 3 months of tuning (including the day-one patch) to get everything as right as they can.

  • Michael

    Wow Vahn, so you know people hated second chance in BO1 and yet you never did anything about that, you bring it back as a Specialist in BO3 which was really useful and held its own with the rest of the Specialist, then you go and make it nothing but a glorified tatical insertion because some Youtubers were crying about it. K.

    • k5berry

      It wasn’t just some youtubers crying about it, there was a MASSIVE outlash against it.

      • Michael

        It didn’t get nerfed during the PS4 beta

        • Ruari McGeoch

          So just because they didn’t get it right last week, they can’t get it right this week? OK.

          • Michael

            There was nothing to “get right”

          • Ruari McGeoch

            Well having rejack in the first place is plain wrong if you ask anyone with thumbs.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Yeah, I don’t take issue the nerfs, The Rejack seemed overpowered. Never allow CoD kiddies to be able to come back up after they receive a death… I’m only angry at the snipers being buffed.

          • Kevin McQuade

            U can say the same for any of the instakill specials that can destroy an entire team in seconds AND the kills have full points towards your score streak. I have thumbs which is why i like rejack and combat focus, id rather use a primary to get my ks instead of an insta kill noob special weapon

          • Kevin McQuade

            Type in “Rejack” on twitter and youll see theres 4x more support for it not to be nerfed

          • Ruari McGeoch

            I did what you said and all I see is people raging about being killed by it when they were on a streak and had to reload, others saying it has no place in CoD, etc. You look mighty stupid right now. You must just be following some terrible CoD players.

          • Kevin McQuade

            Interesting, you must be following noobs who dont know how to shoot the super obvious green smoke and love their insta kill no skill tempest, crossbow or scythe.

          • Ruari McGeoch

            Bruh this was over 2 weeks ago. Drop it lmao

        • XBOne Vanilla Tears

          And yet the last day of the PS4 beta Vonderhaar streamed and said he heard people complain about it so the nerf was planned during the PS4 beta.

    • Mark9521

      You’re cheap. You want a perk which removes the penalty of dying from people to actually help them get up and kill their enemy back. You must be so garbage.

      • Michael

        Yea man I’m garbage. I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was.

        • Mark9521

          So you’re admitting to being trash?

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            It was sarcasm. How was it OP when all it requires is common sense? It’s easily countered, by looking at where the OBVIOUS GREEN SMOKE is coming from, and waiting.

          • Kyle Soule

            I think he is.

      • Greasy Neckbeard

        If rejack is op we might as well call all the other specialists op, right????

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          …But what ability allows you to get back up after death? This isn’t Zombies mode.

          • Siftblade

            It’s a tac insert that you could use 2-3 times per game. Please explain how that’s OP? Because it’s an ability and not a grenade? I don’t remember people crying about tac inserts in any previous games, but now that people associate it with Final Stand (which it’s nothing like), it shouldn’t be in COD?

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            I don’t think that the Rejack is OP. I am saying that I can see where all the complaining is coming from. It is a cloud of green smoke… it is not broken. Tactical Insertions were an issue, especially with boosters and quickscoping idiots.

          • XBOne Vanilla Tears

            You couldn’t be more wrong. Tac insert was complained about a lot in MW2 and BO2 the boosting was out of control because of them. I saw many youtubers and community people ask for them to remove tac inserts. Then there’s the FACT that rejack is a lot better than a tac insert. If you kill a player and kill his tac insert you get 2 kills and he gets 2 deaths. That affects a player’s scorestreak and the game score if its TDM of FFA. It only rewards the player who killed the rejack player half the score he earned for it. Rejack is bad and you should feel bad.

          • Siftblade

            They fixed the boosting with Tac Inserts, because now you can only use it 2-3 times per game. Rejack now is basically like placing down a tac insert right before you die, but you can’t use it as many times as you want. Also, TDM doesn’t consider deaths, it considers the other teams kills. If you jump off the side of the map, the other team doesn’t get any score. So even though Rejack doesn’t count deaths, it doesn’t change the TDM score at all. And no, killing a player, then killing him again after he rejacks gives you 200 points and 2 kills.

          • Daniel

            Ppl always b*tch’ed’ about tac insert
            And this is exactly the same as second chance

          • Greasy Neckbeard

            But what gun shoots electricity? This isn’t Zombies mode.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Hey, I won’t argue. I agree. I’ll make both points.

          • Kevin McQuade

            Dude the Tempest is stronger than the Wanderwaffe wonder weapon from zombies. Its so bad that im continuing my streak with my Kuda than any of the insta kill weapons

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            I didn’t think that’d be OP. It got nerfed, of course.

      • Brad

        “Removes the penalty of dying”

        Happens 3-4 times a game, you can easily be shot when you get back up.

    • ccrows
      • ItzSikh

        fuck you bowling for running away

      • Michael

        Ha

      • Bolbi Stroganovsky

        LMAO
        I remember this

      • jordanxbrookes

        I miss 402 :/

        • ccrows

          Me too… 🙁

      • Ruari McGeoch

        He said this but then they had Dead Man’s Hands in MW3 which was just as annoying!

        • Smayo

          And second chance, which was just last stand with a different name, 100% pure trolling it was…

      • ScOott

        Lol I wonder if anyone has ever actually watched the whole video for the 9 minutes.. I was tempted just so I could say I watched it all..

        • ccrows

          Literally LOL ATM Scottie… 🙂

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      They nerfed Second Chance in Black Ops 1, actually.

      • Michael

        Blop shoting was never fixed.

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          They no longer have infinite health when they enter Second Chance. I think that counts for something. It seems much harder to be Blop-Shot, tbh.

          • Michael

            Oh I don’t think so. I last played BO1 probably around 3 months ago and they still have a moment of invincibility when dropping. Hell in most cases it seems like they shoot you with their primary gun. Anyway, the way Rejacked specialist, you just had to shoot the green smoke, easy as pie. I’ve been killed numerous times by someone going double negative but they spam that damn war machine. You don’t see me bitching that it needs to be nerfed.

          • XBOne Vanilla Tears

            It is overpowered. Most players wait till the last second to get up and by that time another player comes out of no where to save the day. It’s a fucking stupid addition to the game. That and glitch are worse than the weapons because the weapons aren’t really that overpowered. War machine was nerfed.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            The War Machine got nerfed, regardless, and rightfully so. IDK about Second Chance, because I remember the invincibility bug being patched in 2011. I didn’t find it to be as much of an issue as it used to be. Still kind of bullshit. Rejack is a better version of it.

    • Lukane Weaver

      Man I agree with you here. I cannot stand that zip back to life thing. I think it is the cheapest thing ever and I think it’s worse than last chance since someone doesnt have to come along and revive you and you just pop up back to life.

  • k5berry

    NOOOOOOOO THEY NERFED THE WAR MACHINE! That thing was so f’ing awesome to use, and it didn’t even have an 8 round clip on PS4.

  • OMG its AliA

    WHERE’S ScoOtt :(((((

    • Kyle Soule

      Sc0ott*
      I am not sure where he is. Hopefully he gets back soon.

    • ScOott

      Late to the party, I iz here now tho, let’s go boyz! You are no longer an ALiA big noob..

  • Show N Prove

    Damn I wish they only buffed up stuff and not nerfed

    • Ruari McGeoch

      Do you want CoD: Ghosts? Because that’s how you get CoD: Ghosts.

      • Show N Prove

        Yea actually that’s my 2nd fav cod

        • Ruari McGeoch

          This conversation is over. Blocked.

          • Show N Prove

            Lol crybaby

          • Ruari McGeoch

            Ghosts wouldn’t even be my 2nd favourite CoD if I had only played 2 CoD games.

          • djml9

            Ghosts was my favorite, on account of the flawless hit detection and fantastic CaC, but BO3 may take that position. Its really, really fun.

          • Michael

            Smart guy. 🙂

          • Ruari McGeoch

            The hit detection was heavily flawed, it was just harder to notice because you only needed 2 bullets to register to get a kill!

          • djml9

            It took 3-5 for rifles, more for smg/pistols/lmgs, 2 for explosives (nonsense). The hit detection was most definitey great. None of that shooting where people used to be and getting a kill bs. Minimal Wanted corner shots. The melee was actually a feasible means of getting a kill.

            Ghosts biggest problems, imo, were a few maps, and that AI shield killstreak. And id rather deal with that than sh*tty hit detection. Asuch as i lover Bo2, i jut couldnt go back after playing Ghosts and was very difficult to get used to again in AW.

          • Ruari McGeoch

            3-5 for rifles and more for smgs? Stop missing. The Vector was never more than 3. Remington was the same but with a lower fire-rate.

          • djml9

            Im not missing. Im getting a bunch of hit markers.

          • Ruari McGeoch

            *gets 1 hitmarker*
            “OH WELL THAT’S GOT TO HAVE BEEN AT LEAST 6!” – djml9

          • djml9

            Its definitely not less than 3, let alone 1.

          • Ruari McGeoch

            “flawless hit detection” exhibit A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbefSWRQl94

          • Michael

            You’re right, it wasn’t flawless, nothing is. But it was very good.

          • Ruari McGeoch
          • djml9

            That wasnt hit detection. It was probably hitting something.

          • Mark9521

            Really ….

          • djml9

            Hit detection issues arent that blatant. Theres cleary another factor at play.

          • Ruari McGeoch

            Where a “hit” wasn’t “detected”. Which factor might that be I wonder.

          • Ruari McGeoch

            You can clearly see the scope is right on the guy, he has hit that exact shot from that exact spot numerous times and this time nothing was hitting. So by your logic, if the hit-detection isn’t flawed, it’s the textures. Awful game.

          • djml9

            A spot with a messed up polygon doesnt make the game awful. Ive experience them in most cods.

          • Ruari McGeoch

            EXHIBIT C: (really, how many do you need to just admit it?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrkPR8oOc9g

          • djml9

            Clearly something is up with this guys games because that kinda stuff literally never happened to me. Maybe its his set up, his internet, his console, idk, but that kind of stuff LITERALLY never happened to me, not even once. Thats the kind of thing you see in BO and BO2.

          • Ruari McGeoch

            Stop making excuses. It’s the game.

          • djml9

            I use “flawless” in place of “almost flawless” because we all know that nothing is truly flawless.

          • Daniel

            You do have some neat arguments, yet TTK make ghosts suck

          • djml9

            As a HC player, i prefer low TTK, and honestly, Ghosts’s core TTK was excruciatingly long for me.

          • Daniel

            Now you just threw all of them out of a window

          • [email protected]

            Why? My playing HC doesnt invalidate my argument.

          • Show N Prove

            Is that because you suck at it? Sorry, your probably one of those people I destroyed in matches

          • Ruari McGeoch

          • Ruari McGeoch
      • Michael

        COD ghost had better hit detection

        • Ruari McGeoch

          OK now I’m 1000% certain you’re just here to troll

          • Michael

            You can think whatever. Treyarch has always had shit netcode.

        • Mark9521

          No you just died in two bullets

          • No really, what ghosts had right was hit detection and connection.

          • Kyle Soule

            Agreed. You also cant forget the graphics, they were pretty good (imo at least) even though the maps were very bland.

  • it’s a F’ing Beta, this is why the have it to get feed back… of course they’re going to change things…..

  • so don’t cry over Nerf’s and buffs

  • djml9

    Cloak still needs more buffing. 5 seconds is nothing. I thought Ripper was great so nice to see a buff. Armor needed that buff too. Everything else seems fine. Hoping the M8A7 wasnt nerfed too bad.

  • Daniel

    F*CK YOU Treyarch
    Most of these nerfs were totally unecessary, why nerf things that are perfectly balanced?
    Glitch was so cool, and hard to use, now its just a gimmick
    War machine was perfect
    Rejack got nerfed again yet it doesnt solve the problem
    Rejack should let you keep your scorestreaks but you respawn instead of going full second chance BS

  • Greasy Neckbeard

    I have a feeling rejack will get nerfed to death throughout the bo3 lifecycle

    • Daniel

      Just replace it w/ another ability before launch

      • Michael

        They might as well. Using Rejack means you’re a noob, but spamming a war machine just means you’re a beast!

        • Greasy Neckbeard

          Can’t forget the no skill sparrow. All the youtubers say “it’s really hard to use” fucking bullshit

          • Daniel

            Its hard as f* to use, it sucks

          • Michael

            It’s actually easy.

          • Daniel

            The annihilator and tempest are way better as one hit kill weapons

          • Michael

            That’s true.

          • Greasy Neckbeard

            True but their are lots more people using the sparrow, it’s the preferred weapon for the majority

          • Daniel

            I like it more just bc its a classic bow & arrow otherwise its pretty underpowered

        • alteredizzy1010

          i like using the hive. its not something u can run around with but is great for objectives

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      I hope the snipers get nerfed to oblivion.

    • Kyle Soule

      Unfortunately I think so too.

  • this is how the comment section is right now….

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/53200/fat-kid-cryin-and-****-o.gif

    • Greasy Neckbeard

      This is the 3rd time you’ve posted this fuck off

      • lmao! you must be special but, it’s okay if you’d like, scroll down and see if you can find the same image…

        • Greasy Neckbeard

          I scrolled down and saw you whining about us whining, just like you were doing with this post

          • 1. i said image and 2. it’s not whining it’s me trying to tell you to stop crying because it’s just a beta.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            “It’s just a beta”… of a game with 3 more months until release. It’s not really a representation of the final product, but it’s a representation of something.

    • Michael

      How dare you. I don’t wear a helmet.

      • I do! But I’m not whining so… yeah…. 😛

        • Michael

          You’re suppose to whine. Do you want shit fixed now or do you wanna spend $60 on a broken game so you can whine then. Don’t be such a fanboy people.

          • I don’t whine when things go wrong. I kindly point out the flaws so others are aware of them. #logic

    • Lukane Weaver

      Instead, insert a grown man wrecking a living room or a kitchen and punching holes in drywall.

  • @Cymbuh

    No sniper fix? (Locus)

    • Greasy Neckbeard

      I think vonderhaar learned their lesson from bo2

    • Brad

      Nothing to fix about it, it’s great that it’s hard for the 10 year olds to quickscope

    • Drasadex

      nah the sniping mechanics can stay as is.

      • I like that’s it’s kinda hard, gives me a challenge. ^_^

        • Kobrah

          Only took me an hour to get pretty much used to it

    • Kobrah

      What’s wrong with the locus?

  • Mod3rnGamers
  • Brad

    Good change to the KRM, shotguns should be good up close and garbage at range that gun was op as fuck

  • Ricky James

    If there is anyone on PlayStation 4 interested in helping creating a gaming community forum please let me know. All expenses paid for my end. Skype : ItsRickyJames. Thank you.

  • burrgee

    Stuns!!!!!!! Those things are godlike (in a bad way) i hope they get nerfed in the full game, And the m8, thank fuk thats nerfed aswel cuz it was really annoying at times.

    • Timothy Brown

      I can appreciate stuns lasting a bit… But when it is YOUR stun and hits you from out of shotgun range and it last 3+ seconds its ridiculous

  • Kevin McQuade

    No nerf to the Sparrow or Annihilator pistol? but rejack gets nerfed further? Vahns slowly going backwards.

    • Vahn isn’t the one that made all the nerfs. What, you think he like made BO3 on his own or something? -_-

      • burrgee

        Re ” wait for it “wait for it” tard.

        • Why? You think Vahn does everything? He’s just studio design director for Treyarch. Does that mean he made all the nerfs? Wtf? If anything you’re the retard bro, just sayin’.

          • burrgee

            Wats his dick smell like just curious?

          • Thought so, a kid messing around on the internet. There’s no point in proving you wrong because you’ll just never accept it. Have a good day.

          • burrgee

            You to loverboy

          • Lmao! It’s “too” not “to.” People these days with terrible grammar. *sigh*

          • burrgee

            What are you a grammer teacher and a vahn rentboy wtf, ok then your choice dude.

          • No, I’m a logical being.

          • burrgee

            Ok

          • burrgee

            Spock

          • I do possess characteristics of Spock that he possesses of me. ^_^

          • burrgee

            Beam me outa here ffs

          • It’s called closing the tab “New Weapon tuning…” on your web browser. 😉

          • burrgee

            Thanks didnt know that lol thanks for helping dude, really thank you, you helped me so much, im gona go now ok, and again thank you my dearful friend.

          • ScOott

            Lmao this convo was funny.. You won tho..

          • burrgee

            Lol

    • burrgee

      Agree…

    • Xerolh

      Sparrow and annihilator aren’t that good.

      • Kevin McQuade

        Yeah thats why everyone was using them instead of rejack (sarcasm)

    • shantzonpoint

      Sparrow is comical. Robinhood wasn’t near as accurate as the sparrow is. If you ever tried to shoot an arrow with a heavy weighted tip, it’s not accurate more than 15 yards let alone 200 yards across a map…..lol. Reminds me of the Duke boys shooting out of the General Lee…………..

      • matt murdock

        how could you know the accuracy of a bow decades into the future

        • shantzonpoint

          I was just having fun with it but if you want to get into the technical part of it we can. 😀 I’ve shot competitive archery for the better part of 20 years. Compound bows came about in the 60’s and if you look at todays bows compared to the early models, they haven’t changed to much. Sure materials have gotten better but there are only so many things you can do with two limbs, a riser, and cams.

          Just look at the bow they use in the game. It looks like more of a 90’s model than today’s. I’m simply saying there is no way bows will ever work like they do in this game (with the design the sparrow is using). I shoot outdoors in the summer and we have 80 yard shots. My draw weight isn’t to much for my target bow (65lbs) and it takes a good 2-3 seconds for the arrow to hit the target. I have to aim about 5 feet above the target to hit it. Now the sparrow is a woman and the likelihood of her being able to pull back 65lbs is pretty slim (women are usually around 45-50lbs). So it should take 3-4 seconds for her arrow to cover the same distance..

          So lets say in the map Hunted, somebody shoots an arrow from the octagon room, over the bridge at somebody by the vehicles or the rock. That is a good 80 yards I’d say. Are they aiming 5 feet above their head? If anything the guy on the other side should see the arrow arcing toward them and easily dash slide out of the way.

          It’s a video game and we could go on and on about whats not real about it. I’m not totally hating on the sparrow. I just found the sparrow funny how she can toss arrows like a semi auto rifle, at incredible distances, with incredible accuracy……. 😛

          • matt murdock

            fuck

          • I’ve forgotten.. again!

            “(women are usually around 45-50lbs)”

            It must be strange living among such little women

  • guest

    the haymaker is utter ass

    • Dr. Salim

      I love it.

      • Kyle Soule

        I l-love it too.

  • Ak74u

    Noooo why the fuck did they nerf the SMGs I loved the razorback 🙁

  • XBOne Vanilla Tears

    meanwhile no update on the horrible netcode. ahhh well then my cancelled pre-order stays cancelled.

  • Ak74u

    And the vesper why did the nerf it :(((

    • XBOne Vanilla Tears

      because if treyarch does not add enough unfair lag, poor hit det, randomized recoil patterns, and increased sticky aim the game would never be unfair. the game is only fun if it is unfair because then the average gamer thinks it’s competitive. also, the god connection youtubers still get to pubstomp on the noobs even harder because nothing is worse than having sticky aim lag behind where you are aiming….but they don’t have to worry about that 🙂

  • Ak74u

    It’s all the youtubers fault for calling the SMGs overpowered when their not. What needs a nerf is the fucking black hat that lazy people will use to camp and wait to hack enemy score streaks because they can’t get a kill

    • XBOne Vanilla Tears

      that’s what i will do. i’m going to download the game off a friend and use black hat + stealth perks + lmg silencer + sit in back of map and if i see anyone i will start hopping the second i get the shot off. now i have had horrible connection in bo3 beta, but still won a lot of gunfights just by mindlessly hopping around like AW but only in a strafe. they won’t expect a corner camper to start hopping even if they do see me as i see them (again my back will be to the edge of the map out of combat). then if they do get me i will rejack back to life. fuck you vonderhaar. last time you lag me and get away with it!!

      • Kobrah

        Thank god your on Xbox

  • Stefan Lang

    Rejack was cheesy so I can see why it was nerfed. The only thing Im fucking hating right now is the flinch. I cant count how many times I got first shot and the flinch they experienced gave them a lucky1 hit headshot when firing back.

    • XBOne Vanilla Tears

      BUT if they reduce random factors then the game will require skill and vonderhaar can’t have that.

  • Can they fix the problem where you shoot a ton of bullets at a enemy guy only to have to have him ignore those bullets and melt you in 2?

    • XBOne Vanilla Tears

      yeah now he eats twice as many bullets!!

    • Ak74u

      It’s the hit detection, they need to fix it ASAP

    • MichiganerE

      Shit like this made BO2’s MP annoying, let’s hope this doesn’t happen in BO3.

      • Lukane Weaver

        Oh its going to. I thought it was like this in Blops 1 too. I think WAW had the best hit detection out of all the treyarch games.

        • MichiganerE

          Agreed.

    • SouthWestNinja

      Well if you shoot him you won’t have this problem. Plus its a beta so there is a lot of lag.

      • Lukane Weaver

        Beta Smeta. They had 3 years to make their game. They also have always had bad hit detection so If its not a lot better by launch then they got problems. I think AW has infinitely better hit detection. Hopefully the fact they had an open beta for the first time since WAW will give them time to put out a working game by Nov.

        • SouthWestNinja

          Treyarch games have always had better hit detection then infinity ward games. I accept this game to be no different. They still have lots of polishing and refining to do. Which include hit detection, fixing lag and making the game run better in general.

          • Lukane Weaver

            Cod4 was right on par with 2007 hit detection and wasnt much different than WAW…MW2 probably had the best hit detect of all time. MW3s lag comp sucked for 2/3s of the game but when they got it together the hit detection was on point with MW2s. Blops 1 and Blops 2 suffered from bad hit detection and so did the BETA. Getting killed 6 steps behind cover was extremely frustrating. Wondering how you, yourself, killed a mother fucker when you know you didn’t shoot the guy just felt like payback from all the times you got screwed is not really fair either. Ghosts I’m leaving out of the convo because I didn’t play the game because of how bad it was. AW had pretty good hit detection most of the time, on a good connection. But now that its 2015 and Blops 3’s prime will be in 2016 will be 10 years after cod4 existed….The Hit detection should be fucking flawless by now. If its not They are shitty programmers behind the hit registry. Whoever’s in charge of that should be shot with some bullets that don’t connect but they should still kill the person.

          • SouthWestNinja

            You what hit detection is right? It’s the detection of the bullet hitting another player. No matter what, the bullet will always hit the player if the gun is aimed at the hit boxes. What makes then”hit detection” bad is multiple variables. TV/monitor lag, controller input lag, recoil of the gun, speed of the bullet, ping, the other players ping, and the other players movement. So in reality, it is not the hit detection. It’s lag.

          • SmileyVirus

            “speed of the bullet” that is funny

    • Jason Andrew

      It’s called core mode…. No hardcore mode in the beta is studip. Empty a clip into someone or even hit markers with a shotgun then get turned on and 2 bullets dead…..

    • Mario Rivera

      The time to kill is slow in this game, cod games are usually in the the 3 to 4 shot kill range for most gunfights, this cod hovers around the 4 to 5 shot kill range. In practice Lower ttk gives more room for lag comp to take over gunfights and makes 1 shot kill weapons more powerful than they need to be. See black ops 2 where u dump a clip into a guy just to get 1 shotted by a quickscoper/R870. Im ok with snipers and shotties being good, im just not ok with being 1 shotted after they ate most of my magazine.

      • I will have to disagree with you. The TTK is too fast in this game. In Black Ops 2 it was slower, regardless of whatever hit detection issues someone wants to throw out there. As far as I can tell, the people that started playing Cod with MW2 or 3 are the main ones pushing for a quicker TTK.
        If you wish to die quicker, I recommend hardcore.

        The TTK was perfect in Cod4 and its gotten worse and worse and lowered the skill gap ever since.

    • ColonelBazz

      That’s lag though… On your screen it may seem like you are getting hitmarkers, but in real time you are actually missing most of those shots. Never noticed that if you got like 5-6hitmarkers, the enemy seemed to only got hit by 2 or so in the killcam? So he was not exactly on the spot you saw him when shooting. That’s also why it sometimes seems that enemy’s have aimbots. Coming around the corner and you are death in a splitsecond.

  • Ryumoau

    Awesome to see so many changes happening in such a short period of time. Hope weapon tuning are this fast when the full game comes out. 🙂

  • It may because it’s a glitchy beta, but i’m seeing people use stuff that’s supposed to be locked. Example, i just had a guy use C4 on me.
    Anyone else run into that?

    • Drasadex

      I think the pre-made classes have C4 equipped.

      • I’ll have to check but i don’t think he was using one. Also doesn’t explain how i saw someone using Spectre at level 10.

        • Drasadex

          yeah I don’t know what to tell you about the Spectre part lol

          • Yeah. One of the premades does have it but it didn’t feel like he was using that class. Idk maybe i’m paranoid.
            Having a blast with the game though, can’t wait for November

  • ScOott

    Sounds like a good patch (even tho I use glitch all the time) Just need to get the TTK/ hit detection consistent, it seems to be when people are sliding it takes a lot longer for bullets to register .. Also I wish when you assisted suicide someone it would go down as a kill!

    • Guywithbrains

      So… it doesn’t give me a kill? I didn’t know that at all. 😮

      • ScOott

        No, someone might want to confirm, but I always check the scoreboard after it happens and it never registers, even tho I get the medal for it..

  • HAhahaha I knew tempest is too easy to hit with.. Damn ! Those were fun times, I tell you.

  • So they nerfed Rejack rather this way ? Well done, TA.

  • Guywithbrains

    Really impressive patch seems like they are really listening to us. Now if they could do these things before launch:

    – Fix flinch
    – Fix hit detection
    – Fix spawns in objective modes
    – Make TTK consistent
    – Buff Rejack back to original one so you can continue your streak but keep animation time as slow as it is now
    – Nerf flamethrower specialist

    If they could do at least 2-3 of them I would be happy.

    • Kobrah

      Flame thrower specialist isn’t even in the game yet? How do you know it needs a nerf?

      • Guywithbrains

        I saw gameplay but I am pretty sure it isn’t finished yet.

  • Fariko Lunatik

    i have seen people over the level cap aswell i seen 2 players who where level 50-48

  • ThewdsFTW

    Lol why do you care if someone uses rejack… i mean you can see he’s going to come back to life and just kill him again, i mean it’s just respawning in the same area you died…

  • Kit Carson

    Yeah, if there is some good guns, why not nerfing so to they become all shit.

    • Guywithbrains

      Some people think that the game is balanced when every gun is crap and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. “Skilled gunfights” they say.

      • Smayo

        Indeed, that’s why I liked the MW3 approach, instead of nerfing “OP” guns, they buffed all other guns to compete with the OP ones.

        Nerfing OP guns just results in the community going to the next best thing, making that gun OP and people cry out to nerf that as well, the MW3 approach gave you a choice of variety in guns because no matter what gun you picked you could do good, it just became a matter of personal preference and play style

  • condorado

    wow they didnt touch the gravity spikes (dead mans hand x3)?

    • lunator100hd .

      No because you have to use it in the right time and be quick before your targets take you out.

    • Drasadex

      Gravity Spikes are fine.

  • destsicate

    Ps4 for the win blatantly the better console and I’ve played it on both before you judge me 🙂

  • Markus
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  • I still feel the ripper should either have increased range or speed to make it more viable compared to the other specialist weapons, I found myself getting shot while engaging in the attack too commonly.

  • Jakob

    Aww they dodn’t change anything on the P-06… It’s charge up is just way to long!

  • Mikey JustMikey

    and im just over here like CAN I PLEASE GET A LITTLE BIT OF A TOUGHNESS PERK!?!?! i mean it seems like the last 3 years these three companies are shooting for who can make the worst game

  • Anthony

    Ark needs to be nerfed

  • SuperImpact

    Did they undo the first rejack nerf, or is this a SECOND nerf?

    • Raines

      Looks like it. Resetting scorestreaks was the main complaint. Someone shouldn’t get to keep their scorestreak if they rejack

  • guest

    c4 needs a buff thermite nades absolutely shits on c4

  • Dan

    Why wasn’t weapon tuning in Ps4 beta? CODs exclusive to Playstation now so why did xbox beta have it?
    Probs because xbox fans moan all the time haha

  • Juan Rodriguez

    What will the Day One Patch size be for Black Ops 3 on Xbox One? I hope it’s not more than 5GB I would be mad as hell release date. PLEASE REPLY SOMEBODY