David Vonderhaar has stated on Twitter that Black Ops 3 stats will not transfer between last-gen platforms (PS3/Xbox 360) and current-gen platforms (PS4/Xbox One).


For players that plan on buying Black Ops 3 for last-gen, your stats will not be available when or if you decide to upgrade to a current-gen platform. For both Call of Duty: Ghosts and Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, Activision allowed players to have their multiplayer stats available for use within the same console family (i.e: stats transferred from PS3 to PS4, Xbox 360 to Xbox One). It looks like Black Ops 3 will not support that ability.

Activision has also not yet announced any plans regarding the possibility of upgrade programs from last-gen to current-gen. We’ll update if or when they do.

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  • MaZerN

    fuck last gen!

    • John Wolf

      Fuck you too

  • Gingers Nation

    Im kinda happy so that poeple can finally move up from xbox 360 and ps3!

    • Yep. And I bet this will be the last CoD for Xbox 360 / PS3.

  • Don’t buy BO3 for last gen… Put that money towards a current generation console.

    • ccrows

      I feel bad for Vahn come launch, and any time DLC drops. His Twitter account is gonna explode with prev gen issue complaints.

      He might as well put Beenox & Mercanary’s Twitter support link into his profile before the game even launches… ๐Ÿ™

    • Davy Crockett

      Just wish activision spent as much time telling us yes to great things instead of telling us no. They have so much money and time to do these things, and yet year after year all we hear are great big no’s. At least hopefully the next cod will be a collection of games. If it’s Ghosts 2. RIP.

      • spartanelite

        I don’t mind ghost 2 never minded ghost to an extent

    • Mario Rivera

      Logic right there but these retards go out and buy every overhyped 15 minutes of fame game for $60 bucks and then cry about not being able to afford a current gen console.

    • Guy

      It’s alright, i’ll enjoy the free online while it lasts then buy an expensive console later

  • LovekillerX

    I’m still glad as a PS4 and PS3 owner that old gen is still getting love. Spending money to next gen hardware shouldn’t be taken as granted. It is easy to say when your parents buy you next gen console or that you have it already.

    • Daniel

      Regardless of your money evolution must continue
      If you have a car from the 40’s that doesnt mean industry has to make slow cars w/ poor performance in 2015 just bc you dont have money to upgrade
      Btw current gen isnt that expensive tbh

      • LovekillerX

        It is for those who have family and low wage. And to be honest Activision made a good decision to keep old gen on tracks because big part of the community is still playing on old gen hardware.

        • Daniel

          We live in a thing called capitalism.
          Families w/ that low wage usually are not even into gaming
          Activision did a greedy decision that will f* w/ both gens
          If you save 1,5 dollars per day you’ll get a current gen console in a year
          Its been 2 years since current gen launched

          • LovekillerX

            So if you would own a million dollar company and you would have two options: either please customers or not please customers but still get tons of money? Yeah I know what your answer is. It is pure logic. Nothing wrong to take money out of customers’ pockets.

            It isn’t stupid to ask too much but it is stupid to pay too much. Activision knows people will spend their money year after year so that is why they don’t change their policy. I wouldn’t change it either because it surely works.

          • banerising

            Eventually they’ll move on, BO3 on Xbox 360 ans PS3 will not be the same as the XBO and PS4 versions. You have to move forward. If people can’t afford one, then they really shouldn’t be buying games. Gaming is a hobby, and it’s not cheap if you think about it.

          • guestrits

            Once they announced that Next-Gen Consoles would be a thing, you should’ve started saving up… You don’t need to get it the day it comes out but if you started saving $1 a day before you can get it within a year. Also they have so many constant deals and trade in offers for your last-gen console. If you can’t save $1 a day or can’t save up to $300-$400 in 3 years you really need to think if you want to continue gaming as a hobby

        • lunator100hd .

          Where you live?( if you dont want to answer its ok)

          • LovekillerX

            I live in Europe, I don’t want to tell specific country. My country is listed in world’s most “well doing” countries and it has a really good position on that list.

          • lunator100hd .

            I live in Europe too and my country is for sure worst than yours economy-wise , here even the new born babes owe about 40.000 E but still i believe that ppl who dosent own current gen arent serious about gaming anyway so dosent care at all.

        • Mario Rivera

          Im poor as fuk so I started saving when it was announced so I wouldn’t be that guy still making silly excuses a few years later on a charlieintel forum… I know more than any1 that the cost for next gen isnt exactly pocket change but it isnt anywhere near unobtainable for working gamer that is willing to throw a occasional $10-$20 dollars aside for it.

    • Guywithbrains

      I agree. I understand why so many people won’t change to current gen just yet. There is no true exclusive on either of these current gen consoles and also graphics don’t have so big difference compared to old gen. Except Star Wars: Battlefront.

      • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

        Except Star Wars Battlefront ? I don t know which games you play but there are definitely more games with graphics completely different (and better) than those of an old gen game.

        • Guywithbrains

          Well DICE has one of the best graphics engines out there and their engine is definitely really impressive.

          But in my opinion there are no games on Playstation 4 that cause “wow!” -effect. If you compare transfer from Playstation 2 to Playstation 3 there was much bigger difference in graphics.

          But as we can see in the end of old gen cycle graphics have been improved in unbelievable way. Some expert said in the end of current gen life cycle there is going to be graphics that look like a movie.

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            There are. Just look at InFamous 2 and in Famous SS. The difference is huge between the graphics of each them.Another good example : The original Gears of Wars and the remake (it s an Xbox exclusive but still counts).The best example : The Order 1886. And others: Driveclub, Forza Horizon 2, Batman AK…

          • Choppabro2psn

            Graphics can only be upgraded so much. I’m sure the ps5 and Xbox whatever is gonna have only slightly better graphics than the current gen consoles.

          • spartanelite

            I’m pretty sure its going to be the Xbox two

          • Thomas the TankSwag

            Xbox one was called one because it is an “all in one” console, xbox two would make even less sense than xbox one.

          • spartanelite

            They could go for both

          • Choppabro2psn

            Lol

          • Thomas the TankSwag

            Nearly all of PS4s exclusive games have a “wow” effect for graphics, dont bother looking at games that are available cross platform.

            Killzone, Infamous, Last of us remastered and the order all have amazing graphics, and the main reason for this (except for last of us) is that these games don’t have last gen holding them back.

            And if the graphics are this good now, imagine how good they will be 4 years from now. Ps3 started with games with terrible graphics but now the graphics are pretty good for a 10 year old console. (Call of duty 3 ps3s first call of duty, and Black ops 2 ps3s “last” call of duty shown in pics)

          • jordanxbrookes

            I liked Call of Duty 3. Must be the only one who did and still does.

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            In my country there isn t a single copy of Cod3 on retailers lol.

          • MichiganerE

            CoD 3 was alright.

          • Kobrah

            Yes, but your are comparing PS2 games on PS3 games released 7 years later, not when PS3 was just out

            Edit: exactly like what Thomas the Tank said

      • ScOott

        This gen isn’t about graphics, it’s about what can be done with the new systems, an example being witcher 3, not physically possible on old gen, even a game like CoD has gotten an improvement with this gen, things being held back proves it.. If people are waiting for a 4k game they will never buy into this gen or most likely the next.. 1080p visuals is as high as we are getting.. Anybody who says there is no next gen games yet is a complete moron imo…

  • Daniel

    F* last gen
    Cancel those versions

  • imBATMAN

    woooooooo
    PISS OFF LAST GEN

  • Show N Prove

    I hope bo3 is the final cod for last gen. They should just stop trying to squeeze every last drop out of last gen people.

  • Brad

    Last gen BO3: No paintshop, no gunsmith, no 4 player co op, no Nuketown, no DLC, no league play, no stat transfer, shit graphics, being made by no name devs. LMAO you people are dumb as fuck if you buy this how can you not afford a $400 console after 2 years?? Wait till next year when there will be no last gen at all.

    • Stif Meister

      I got mine for $300. Screw the Kinect.

    • ccrows

      Wait, No Nuketown?

      That alone almost makes me want to buy previous gen again… ๐Ÿ™

      • So you don’t like Nuketown?!?!

        • jordanxbrookes

          I think it’s because of how shit Nuketown 2025 was that he doesn’t want it back.

          • ccrows

            That’s a good part of it, and TBF Nuketown did play very well in OG BO, but that nostalgia hook kept getting the best of everyone in BO2.

            It made made sad when great maps like Standoff and Raid couldn’t stand a chance against Nuketown… ๐Ÿ™

          • jordanxbrookes

            Oh definitely, Nuketown was a great map in Black Ops.

        • ccrows

          *sigh* No.

          F&F it should have been expanded a tad in BO2 to begin with, but on top of that I’m just tired of people picking that same map over and over and over and over.

          You leave the lobby, and go to a new one, and of course mid-match Nuketown in progress.

          You put in your 2 games, people leave, the lobby migrates, and hey look Nuketown is up to be voted in again.

          There’s a lot of people on Gamefaqs that felt the same way during BO2 at it’s peak, and made threads on how to troll people in Nuketown (basically worm camping + LMG or smoke grenade spam w/ scavenger) to get that map picked less often.

          All I can hope for is that Nuketown has it’s own playlist. I don’t mind playing it from time to time (or heck even back to back), but I just don’t like playing it 8 out of every 10 maps. AND yes that has happened to me in the past.

          And finally yes I usually did extremely well on it, I mean it’s pretty hard not to when you can RunNGun with a Scorpion, but (as I said already) all I can hope for is that it has it’s own playlist, and stays there PERMANENTLY, so everyone is happy.

          TL;DR – I love BO, I love BO2, but I’m burned out on Nuketown, & on a side note I hoping at least it gets expanded in BO3…

    • Keshav Bhat

      Correction to that: there is gunsmith, but no Paint Shop

      • Tyler

        how (or when) can you access it then? the option is entirely absent from my identity screen, is it a level thing?

    • hungryandrew

      Its being made/ported by High Moon Studios, ๐Ÿ™‚

    • pulseimpact

      beta graphics on xbox one looked last gen so…i mean modern warfare 2 and ghosts looked a lot better than bo3 imo and they were on last gen

  • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

    The game is going to be complete garbage on old gen with terrible graphics , cut out features and very minimal support post launch. And the price is going to remain the same as the next gen version! Long story short : The game is going to be shitty on old gen and I strongly advise you ( to those who want to) to not buy it.

  • Drasadex

    Lmao last-gen users getting screwed so hard with BO3.

  • TepidBlack

    Why not? There’s literally no reason not to support the feature especially when it’s in previous CoDs. The only possible reason for this is that BO3 is so next gen that something as simple as a stats transfer isn’t possible. This clearly isn’t the case so it can only be to satiate the hordes of angry 14 year olds whose parents bought them an xBone then they promptly realised it can’t do anything the 360 couldn’t. It’s almost a perfect parallel to Ghosts not having ground war on last gen because “muh next gen” despite it looking worse and having less features than BO2.

    Induring “but you’re just upset you don’t have next gen” I own both the Boner and PS4 and there isn’t a single game on either of them that isn’t possible on last gen in some downgraded form.

    • Matt

      At this point, it’s pretty obvious that they’re just trying to promote current gen consoles. It’s not about hardware issues, they’re trying to get everyone to upgrade.

    • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

      You just said it yourself : In order to get a next gen game in a form of an old gen game it has to suffer downgrades.

    • That much may be true, but companies are saving a bit focusing on current gen consoles.
      Perfect example: Batman Arkham Knight.
      If that game had released on 360, which thank GOD it didn’t, the Batmobile by itself would have taken up an entire install disc. There would have probably been like 5 install discs for it.
      So yes you are right, alot of games have the ability to be on both consoles, but that doesn’t mean they’ll perform exactly the same. Companies are being smart when they focus on one particular gen of consoles.

    • Keshav Bhat

      Actually, we don’t even know the final feature set for the last-gen versions of Black Ops 3. There are most likely differences between the two that ends up with not being able to transfer stats.

      So far, Activision has only confirmed that the last-gen versions will have access to campaign, multiplayer, and zombies, and have revealed some of the differences already, including: only 2 player campaign, no paint shop in MP. There’s bound to be more, but they haven’t announced yet. It’ll probably make more sense once they do announce the differences.

      Plus, it’s been three years since the new console launched. Only so long that they can keep providing upgrade programs. And, to be honest, Activision is the only major publisher this fall supporting last-gen with an FPS title. (Star Wars, Assassin’s Creed, Fallout, etc are all PS4, Xbox One, and PC only).

      • Yeah, none of Ubisoft’s games are going to be on previous gen anymore and they’re smart for doing so.

    • ccrows

      There needs to be a “transition” to get people off of prev gen.

      Ghosts – No Ground War
      AW – Same as Ghosts, + no recent Micro DLC guns

      BO3 – Same as the prev two, + no stats transfer.

      Annnnd my prediction for next year, no prev gen for IW…

  • Wow that sucks. I was one of the ppl who got a ps4 after the release of aw, so around January and I was glad the stats transfer from last to current gen. And I still go back to play aw on the ps3 sometimes.

  • Tricky VIk

    “And sadly, I still haven’t transitioned into that current gen life, I hope I get to eventually.”

  • ccrows

    None of this should be a surprise.

    Vahn tweeted a while back that he doesn’t even have a prev gen dev kit anymore.

    The writing was already on the wall that Vahn wanted nothing to do with prev gen, and this is all Activision…

  • Jay Evan

    Should COD even be on last gen anymore?

    • Jay Evan

      Oh yeah, i forgot, activision needs money.

      • ccrows

        You can edit your own posts bruh.

        The more you know… ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Jay Evan

          I made both comments on purpose

    • GinsuVictim

      Considering how many people are still on last gen, yes.

  • GR3Y_B1RD

    Last Gen BO3 is useless…better to buy new console right now ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Joshwoocool

      or pc

    • GinsuVictim

      Useless? As long as the mp runs smooth and maintains 60 fps, I’m good. If the graphics are as good as Black Ops 2, that’s still plenty good.

      • GR3Y_B1RD

        Yeah IF it Looks like BO2…but I think its going to be like in AW. At least on my 360 the graphics didnt load or just very slow. Also I had many pixelated graphics. Nah dont know what its going to Looks like on Last Gen but would b great if it Looks good ๐Ÿ™‚

        • GinsuVictim

          Do we even know who is handling the last gen port? High Moon did a pretty bad job on AW. I know the pixilation you’re talking about, especially with the Pytaek’s iron sights! I had pop-in on Terrace that definitely interfered.

          • GR3Y_B1RD

            Yeah but the Irons of the Pytaek are even on next gen not too good… also often had Trouble with the crosshairs of the sniper rifles and often also with the more complicated camos of the royal weapons but i think they patched it a Little bit some time ago

          • GinsuVictim

            I’m so bad with the Pytaek I can’t even earn the red dot sight to get away from those irons. lol

          • GR3Y_B1RD

            ^^ you should give it a try if you still Play ๐Ÿ˜€ weapon is great at Long range and also at short range ๐Ÿ™‚

          • GinsuVictim

            It’s those damn irons. I pull ’em up and I can’t see shit.

      • GR3Y_B1RD

        I have got Question. Whats does the yellow stripe next to your profilepicture mean?

        • GinsuVictim

          I don’t see it.

  • ccrows

    Prev gen turns 10 years old this year. If you haven’t jumped yet, it’s time.

    Even if you need to wait till BF to do so, it’s time…

  • Greasy Neckbeard

    Good.

  • Stefan Lang

    Lol I was gonna get it on 360 too just to see what all the differences were but I expect it to be exactly what Bo2 was. It probably wont even have specialist characters.

  • Good.

    Although I just wish Xbox One would adopt the 360’s simple, easy to use interface.

    Last generation is on life support facing an inevitable death. UPGRADE BITCHES!

    • Ak74u

      There’s gonna be a new UI update for the Xbox one in November I believe featuring windows 10 and it will be much faster. I think this month preview members will get to preview the new UI experience

      • I can’t wait for the new UI!

        • ccrows

          Here’s hoping for the best… ๐Ÿ™‚

      • jordanxbrookes

        Yup, can’t wait to get it this month. Hopefully it doesn’t flop.

        • ccrows

          Same, just hoping that they remove all the BS bloat.

          I could care less about streaming to PC, just fix the UI and make it snappier too…

        • MichiganerE

          Same here.

      • Stefan Lang

        Im in the program, Gears of War looks great running on XB1. They just added in Borderlands for backwards compatibility a few days ago as well.

        • Ak74u

          So you have acces to the new UI? Does it still have the snap feature?

          • Stefan Lang

            Not yet, i can only play some 360 titles that are available for backwards compat.

          • Ak74u

            Nice, when you get the menu update let us know what you think about it.

          • Stefan Lang

            Will do ??

  • Gooby

    yaeh scrw yu lsat gen!

    • FazalGaming

      BO3 are butt fucking last gen so hard

      • Gooby

        gud

  • ModdersAreGay

    No modders with there modded stats and as such. YAY

  • ItzSikh

    FUCK YOU LAST GEN!!! [and the crowd go’s wild]

    • MichiganerE

      Then, we find out that BO3 is on final gen instead.

  • Greasy Neckbeard

    FUCK LAST GEN BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ryumoau

    I wonder if this means they are also abandoning the upgrade thing they did for both ghosts and AW, where you got both ps3/ps4 copies if you bought the game digitally. I guess i don’t mind either way, though if they gave us last gen versions i would play it for the free trophies. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • ScOott

      Free trophies yay! *big smiley face* ๐Ÿ˜€

  • why

    • Eat Mor Chikin

      Why not?!?! We can put a man on the moon, we should also be able to transfer data between systems!!!!!

  • Jessica Because

    YEAH screw last gen!..(Preordered PC game built with last gen capabilities)

  • GTA V

    I can’t wait to not buy this. R.I.P. COD

    • Stefan Lang

      You’re a fucking hater just gtfo already. Fucking troll.

      • GTA V

        From 10 million people to 1,000 R.I.P. let it go. Move on

        • Stefan Lang

          You’re stupid as shit. Fucking GTA fanboy.

          • GTA V

            I don’t even play GTA so yeah fuck it lol and facts hurt. 1,000 play AW. Google it you bum lol

          • spartanelite

            On PC probably,no one care’s about PC numbers honestly

          • GTA V

            Do some research k.

          • Stefan Lang

            Lol Idgaf about AW I dont even play it my damn self. KYS.

          • GTA V

            KYS? You gay go kiss a girl faggot.

          • Stefan Lang

            Kill youself idiot. Learn the internet.

          • GTA V

            I just got AOL you want to instant message each other?

    • Jay Evan

      Seriously. Get out

    • Michael Quinn

      You’ll buy it.

      • GTA V

        Nah

        • bobby

          I will buy it for zombies and campaign.

      • Stefan Lang

        Exactly. People really think Activision gives a shit if they’re only buying it for other modes other than MP or not even buying its gonna sale regardless.

    • YoungMurf

      Your comments are so worthless. I don’t know why you waste your time bothering to comment on here.

  • se7en

    I can only imagine how bad BO3 is going to look and probably play on last gen….if people were smart they would just save up for a current gen console and pick it up on there…

  • Tricky VIk

    “All that hate to last gen, I wonder how people were when last gen came out for the first time, probably nothing but comments on how amazing it was to transition and whatnot, and now look at it, it makes me sad.”

    • Joshwoocool

      I think the last gen hate is misplaced.People shouldn’t be hating on the old consoles.What people should be upset about is developers dumbing down there game so it can be equal on last gen and current gen,instead of developers doing one of two things

      1)Only develop on Current Gen or Last Gen

      2)Have Your Game be Ported to last Gen Either in-house(without dumbing down current gen versions) or out-sourced to a 3rd party studio to port

      Black Ops 3 is doing #2 and having there game being ported by a different studio,

  • shadowguy14

    I don’t know why everybody is mad at Activision because the only reason they’re making a last gen version is because they know people will actually buy it. Blame THOSE people! That’s the COD fanbase right there.

  • Noretrollor

    Wow is there still people on last gen? Like move on to next gen, get some money. Advanced Warfare looks so bad on PS3 and Xbox 360, then just imagine how bad Black Ops 3 is going to look. Move on last gen is old.

    • GinsuVictim

      There isn’t enough out on current gen yet for me to consider buying a new console, especially with the huge backlog of 360 games I’m still playing.

      • Noretrollor

        Don’t because the PS4 will be old then new consoles might come out. Buy it now with Black Ops 3 and add me when you do ๐Ÿ™‚

        • GinsuVictim

          You must be young.

          • Noretrollor

            You must be dumb.

          • GinsuVictim

            Only if I continue this conversation.

          • Noretrollor

            Which you are.

          • BlackOpsBoutTreeFiddy

            Looks like he isn’t, because he hasn’t posted in almost a day.

          • Noretrollor

            Ok did I ask?

  • Ghost

    How about you guys hate on Activison instead of hating Last gen users? I don’t see the reason to hate on people who can’t afford current gen consoles for whatever reason!

    • Colin MacKenzie

      It’s not so much hate as just asking the question, “If you cannot afford to keep up with the current standards of gaming (a hobby), why complain when you are left behind?” You didn’t hear people complaining about the PlayStation 2 not receiving enough games when its time was up. Furthermore, while I understand that there are those out there who aren’t nearly as fortunate as I have been, I sometimes really do wonder (especially when it seems there are those on last gen who want it badly enough) why people cannot put aside $14 a paycheck for a new system. That’s a dollar a day. I personally think that gaming is an expensive hobby, and that if you want to be current with everyone else, you have to put the money forward. I’ll raise this question to go even further; how many people have smartphones but at the same time “cannot afford a new gaming system”?

      • GinsuVictim

        Most of us understand the game is going to be different and aren’t complaining about the version we’re getting, just like how I haven’t complained about AW’s differences. (I have complained about AW being shit, but that’s just the game in general)

    • LovekillerX

      This. As I have said below you never should take granted that everyone can afford next gen console by saving up 10 or 20 euros in a month because some people don’t even have that. There are lots of people who have just enough money to pay their bills and they don’t have any “extra” money.

      Just because you (talking about readers, not you Ghost) have next gen console already probably bought by your parents or yourself, that doesn’t mean that old gen should be left behind. And let’s be honest: although Black Ops 3 would have been next gen only it wouldn’t look so great as people might imagine. It would probably still look the same or a little bit better.

      I think it is good to leave old gen behind when Treyarch does their next game. But that is too early to talk about it.

      • GinsuVictim

        Yeah, try telling your wife that money you saved up is going toward a new console when the roof needs fixed, the plumbing needs replaced, the refrigerator is going out, the car is making that funny sound, etc, etc.

        • LovekillerX

          Exactly. I’m a PS4 owner and I earned my money for it but I still can understand that some people can only dream about next gen console.

          • GinsuVictim

            It’s not even a big deal to me. I don’t want one yet. I have plenty for 360 right now and the games I want for PS4 are still a few years away.

          • LovekillerX

            Yeah if you enjoy your old gen console you can get your next gen console later. Also difference between graphics in most games on next gen is so little compared to old gen that maybe it is wise to wait for a little bit.

            Although some people are missing out amazing looking games like Star Wars Battlefront, Witcher 3, Until Dawn etc.

          • Guywithbrains

            I understand your decision. As I said already I think there is no good reason to buy current gen console. Stick to your old gen as long as you want. In the end if you are Playstation user you get to play online for free.

          • Rob Schneider

            Completely agree, I’m moving to university in a couple of weeks, much rather spend money on other things, rather than a gaming console, plus I will only be playing BO3 casually, I was pretty satisfied with the AW port and didn’t “cry” about it like some readers have suggested about last gen users. Recently bought Bioshock and Red Dead Redemption for 360, last gen still has loads of great games

          • FazalGaming

            My parents have to rent out rooms in our house to strangers to pay bills. I did some work for some of my friends and they paid me and after a few months I had enough for a PS4, but not all people will have the same chances I had.

          • FazalGaming

            I say had enough because in the end I didn’t purchase it, if I worked hard I could maybe make $100 a year. But having to buy COD + plus season pass + PS online was way too expensive.

          • YoungMurf

            $100k a year did you mean?

          • FazalGaming

            Nope

          • YoungMurf

            How can anyone work for a year and only get $100? That’s crazy.

          • FazalGaming

            Because it’s not an official job

        • zack

          Those all sound like reasons not to get married, sucker.

          • GinsuVictim

            One day your mom will ask you to pay rent.

      • ScOott

        Utter bulshit.. Everyone can afford 25 p a day.. If you can’t then maybe they need to learn how to manage money..

        • LovekillerX

          Believe it or not but everyone can’t afford that although people do best for their economy. I have seen it.

          • ScOott

            I honestly don’t see how that is possible, if you was strugling that much and didn’t have a job, you can do a debt relief order that cost 100 pound but wipes away every debt, or if you have a job you can make your self bankrupt and start again and just be black listed for 5 years, if you make the same mistakes within that 5 years than that’s the own persons pathetic fault.. No excuses in this day in age.. Money managment is a key skill to survive and enjoy life.. If someone can’t do that then they only have them selfs to blame, I didn’t have an education and still managed to make a success of my self.

          • GinsuVictim

            Money management starts and ends with spending responsibly, then questioning whether or not frivolous purchases are worth it.

          • ScOott

            But if you can’t afford 25 p a day than your money managment needs some serious looking at, I’m not having a go at you, I know you don’t want one right now which if fair enough, but for the people “who can’t afford it” is just an excuse..

          • GinsuVictim

            Like I said, if I can save up that money, there are usually more pressing matters requiring that money. I buy CoD each year because it falls around my birthday, so that money is for fun, but other than that, there are too many things we need money for.

          • ScOott

            I have 2 cars to pay for, a wife, two kids and house.. I know how much it costs to be a family guy.. It’s hard work but if you want something bad enough you will have it, it’s that simple.

          • GinsuVictim

            I don’t really want it, not yet at least. In a few years, though, I may have more hours at my current job and we can consider it.

          • ScOott

            Exactly you don’t want it .. But if you really really wanted It i bet you would of saved up for it by now ..

            It’s not the case of you can’t afford it, it’s the case if you don’t want it enough.

          • GinsuVictim

            If I really, really wanted it, I would save up, buy it, then spend more money on the divorce.

          • LovekillerX

            Just an excuse? So you don’t believe that in western welfare country there can be poor people who don’t have that 20 euros in a day?

            Get real man. You should maybe take a look and prove yourself this is happening even in western welfare country. That was stupid claim from you.

          • ScOott

            If your on here, and have a device with Internet, no, no excuse what so ever..

          • LovekillerX

            Yeah because there aren’t libraries or friend’s house to go to use computer. Lmao I leave this conversation now for good. Go educate yourself and learn some facts related to economy. :’D

          • ScOott

            No the people that need to do that are the poor people that can’t afford 25p a day lol.. I don’t think I’m the thick one here..

          • GinsuVictim

            At 25 cents US, it would take 1744 days to save up for a PS4 (with tax).

          • ScOott

            There has ruffly been 1400 days since the consoles got announced so just over 25, my mistake ..

          • Tricky Vik

            “I can’t afford that honestly, I won’t go into details, but I can’t it’s not so simple.”

            EDIT: “Didn’t feel like logging in.”

          • ScOott

            ๐Ÿ™ I win the lottery il send you one first class!

          • GinsuVictim

            I’m at work, using their internet (just to chime in).

          • ScOott

            Lol thankyou for chiming in ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Guywithbrains

          In my opinion it is not about who can afford but who wants to get current gen consoles. There are no true exclusives, online gaming has monthly fee (bullsh*t if you ask me) and no “wow!” effects yet in terms of graphics.

          But after all “graphics don’t make the game” so how is old gen holding Black Ops 3 back may I ask? It isn’t holding anything back it is just another conspiracy theory of 12 year old kids. And what comes to these kids I wouldn’t buy a current gen console just to please their needs.

          • GinsuVictim

            Yeah, this time they talk like they really are releasing two completely different games, unlike AW which had only a few differences.

          • Kordell Care

            i played the bo3 beta on my ps4 , i own a ps4 (obviously) its nothing special ps3 is just slower thats all

          • ScOott

            That’s exactly what I’m saying.. ” It’s not about who can afford a current gen console, but who wants one”

            Here is a list of games not on old gen that makes them Wow next gen

            Dying light
            Sun set overdrive
            Shadow of mordor
            The crew
            The witcher
            Until dawn
            Shadow of Mordor
            Infamous second son
            Blood borne

            That is just a short list off the top of my head, I’m sure their is many more

            These games are next gen games, as in not able to be made on old gen but like I’ve said to you before it more todo with what games are capable of with these consoles not what they look like, there will be a very good reason for each one of these games not coming to old gen..

            And this list is only going to get bigger and bigger, I haven’t even mentioned the games that are coming out this holiday..

          • GinsuVictim

            And those games will be there later when we do get the systems, right now I’ve got enough on 360 to keep me happy. Hell, my next purchase might just be a PS3 so I can catch up on those exclusives.

          • ScOott

            Lol that’s ok if you don’t mind having a gigantic back log, I’d rather keep up than having games coming out my ears..

          • GinsuVictim

            Oh, I’ll never get over the backlog. That’s been going on since the 80s. I’d rather try my best to play my last gen stuff than to go current and the stuff falls through the cracks.

          • Guywithbrains

            Almost all of those games look good (nothing super special) but their story suffers because of impressive visuals. Exceptions are The Witcher 3 and Until Dawn but these games wouldn’t make me buy current gen console either.

            Truly a great looking exclusive that probably has awesome story is going to be Uncharted 4. So wait until Spring 2016 and then see if you can get current gen console cheaper.

            But that’s just me. But as I said I suggest no one buys current gen console so “games can be pushed forward in terms of graphics” and also no one should please kids who want to have great graphics in CALL OF DUTY.

          • ScOott

            If you are a hardcore gamer and don’t want to end up with a massive back log than I would strongly advise getting a current gen console now..

            You your self have got a ps4 why did you buy a ps4 if there is no decent games for it ? Dying light has an amazing story imo..

            I didn’t get to play the uncharted series last gen, so I’m picking up the Nathan drake collection next month, they do look like amazing games reminds me of tomb raider just 10 times better..

          • ScOott

            No Reply ? I’ve seen you comment in the next article .. I can always tell when you have run out of words lol,, I’m sure you don’t believe half the stuff you say others wise you would reply with a decent answer ..

          • Guywithbrains

            Sorry but I am not here 24/7 checking if you are starting another argument about opinions.

            I bought Playstation 4 because it was running out of stores back then and I wanted to make sure I get to play Advanced Warfare on my new Playstation 4 from it’s launch day.

            You want my opinion? I think it is stupid to demand others to buy current gen consoles if they can’t simply afford it or don’t want to buy box of plastic that so far does the same thing as old gen consoles but with an exception of online needing monthly subscription. And as I said I don’t see any of those games as “true current gen game”. Let’s check again after Spring 2016 shall we?

            It is fine if you want to spend all your money to gaming but others with family want to make sure their family can manage and do well in life. This is called prioritizing.

          • ScOott

            I’m not arguing with you, I’m just talking to you, I don’t know why you always think I’m trying to start something.. I agree with you, but my point is just that most people could afford it if they wished.. Which you have agreed as well .. N yh to be continued in spring I guess ..

        • Rob Schneider

          Once again I am speaking to you about last-gen gaming. How long would 25p a day take? Remember that many last-gen users could still be in the saving up process, and you need to consider the additional costs on top of the console purchase, I much rather have an xbox 360 with hundreds of games with great campaigns and decent multiplayer that are been given out for free through GwG or pre-owned games for around ยฃ3-6, great bargain really, got Bioshock for ยฃ4, got Red Dead Redemption for ยฃ6, got Crysis 3 for ยฃ2.99
          Not many of my friends game anymore, so multiplayer isn’t an issue for me anyway, but yeah graphics on 360 are still decent, I realise I have gone off topic now haha
          Currently going through the Metro games which I got for free too, fuck next gen
          Just kidding, hope I didn’t come across as angry or too formal

          • ScOott

            Lol I don’t mind shooting the shit about the same subject again .. Without a doubt xbox 360 and PS3 are still great consoles that people can enjoy and both come with cheap games.. But technology must advance, if you get left behind or not.. Someone came up with a good example of cars earlier and I’m going to go with that bare with me ..

            I have a 2002 plate car, I don’t expect cars to stop getting better and better and more expensive just because I can’t afford a 2015 plate car, I’m just going to be left behind.. I’m not going to cry about it..

            It might be too expensive right now for some, but that’s just life.. I got the 25 p wrong part wrong it’s a bit more than that, but say peopld saved a pound a day for three years they could have both next gen consoles by now 365 x 3 .. They would even have change left over for some games!

          • Rob Schneider

            Yeah, I’m not crying about the features missing from last-gen tbf, I just believe it is unfair for them to sell it at that price, and they should be more open about it, at least let the consumers know what they are going to buy.
            My arguments are not only directed at you btw, just the general community who call last-gen users lazy or retarded etc. I am content with last-gen, I was satisfied with AW on 360, graphics weren’t the best, and I didn’t buy DLC, I managed to get 21 free ASDs too due to the bug where levelling up wouldn’t award players, anyway again that’s off topic.
            I played BO3 beta on next gen (as I mentioned in previous comments how we own a PS4 in my home, but I will be using a 360 at university), and I am fine without paintshop and some of the minor things, hell I don’t even know if I am getting Black Ops 3 this year, the decision is not affected by the console btw
            Anyway, the reason I comment when it comes to this issue (as I tend to avoid every other topic in the CI comments) is because of the ignorance towards last-gen users. It’s no use complaining about people who have not saved up for a next-gen console as the things you (and others) suggest will only take affect in a year or so time, (what I mean by this, for example, person A is getting mad at person B for buying a last-gen version of the game, and suggests to save up with a plan that will complete in a years time, this suggestion does not help this argument as Person A is forgetting to realise that it will take a year to complete, so it’s essentially just redundant and hindsight advice)
            I am struggling to fully explain what I mean, but don’t you think B would have saved up if they could if they really desired it? It seems like everyone online considers themselves an expert lol

          • ScOott

            I have no problem with people sticking with last gen, it doesn’t effect me in any way, and I agree about its wrong selling them at the same price.. You clearly don’t won’t a next gen console to take to uni which is fine .. Again I have no problem with you not wanting to, I can see why some people Don’t want next gen consoles yet.. But what I can not accept is that people that want one but can’t afford one, because if they really wanted one that bad they could of had one by now that is and always will be my point.. It’s this simple if you haven’t got a current gen console by now you simply don’t want one enough, which is kool.. I just hate seeing sob stories how people physically can’t afford it, like the rest of us just used magic to get ours.. I personally had to go without stuff and do some hard saving for mine .. Again I respect your opinion, can I ask why you don’t normally comment ? lol .. It can’t just be this subject you have opinions on lol?

          • Rob Schneider

            Exactly, don’t you think that the people who so desperately want the latest stuff, and who need everything new, would already have one by now?
            Of course I would want one, but do I need one? No
            Only until this year I have seen next/current gen games that I am impressed by, Fallout 4, No Man’s Sky, The Witcher 3, and some others I can’t recall at the top of my head. The first two years were kinda shitty imo
            Some people are willing to sacrifice more than others, I would love to have a next-gen console for uni, but I got a laptop instead which is far more practical and worth the money, and I’m ashamed to admit it but I torrented several games, including Dying Light which I saw you mention somewhere, and I can run at decent settings. Anyway, Everyone has a different situation, it shouldn’t annoy you if it doesn’t affect you (which you stated in your comment). People are smarter than you think (in most cases) so if they were able to save up, then they most likely would have. There are plenty of reasons why I would want a new console, but there is one dominant reason stopping me, and that is cost. Whilst there are others, they do not matter as much.
            I’ve been a regular visitor since around MW3 time, I remember the hype I had for Black Ops 2 leaks and reveal, I stopped commenting because I realised how pointless it was, and I’ve kinda grown out of CoD a bit. Also, I am definitely not a fan of the community on the CI comment section anymore. I won’t go into details with who and what as there is no need to start an argument.
            Once again, I just want to add a thanks for taking the time to read + discuss (or should I say Disqus) with me, also I’m trying not to sound too negative or agressive, but more just straight-forward ๐Ÿ™‚

          • ScOott

            Lol no problem, I can’t be doing with people who leave there comment get some upvotes and then bog off, il stay and “disqus” all day long lol.. Probably see you next time this subject gets dragged up ?

      • Kobrah

        No ‘extra’ money but they can still afford $89 for a game?

    • Chunkyblack

      We’ve had ten years with the 360. Fuck the excuses just don’t get a new console. I wouldnt blame anyone who doesnt want a new one they suck dude especially compared to expectations

  • GinsuVictim

    I’m still getting the last gen version. There will be plenty of us.

  • I know this is a long shot but why not just make 2 seperate discs for last gen. One for campaign and one for multiplayer + zombies? Wouldn’t that make it so they don’t have to leave stuff out of the game? I have a ps4 but feel bad for those who can’t upgrade.

    • Kobrah

      I think the problem is more the power of the consoles than the room on the discs

  • Kordell Care

    he also said no to bop3 being on last gen and look how quickly that change , why are they trying to be like battlefield and cant transfer data ? Just looking at the ps3 case im more tempted to buy ps3 games fuck ps4 it trash

    • JDahn

      lol PS4 is trash? If you can’t buy it it’s ok but PS4 is awesome. Keep playing the old games because all the new ones are on PS4.

    • GinsuVictim

      Yeah, I’d love to see some reasons why you think PS4 is trash.

  • RdJokr

    And there’s even less reason to buy last gen versions now. Let’s be smart now, people.

  • marcellus

    All I did was just save up $324 is what I paid for mine just got it today all that saving paid off

  • Stefan Lang

    People, if you have an active checking account sign up for paypal pay after delivery. What I did when I got my XB1 was found a brand new AC Bundle console on eBay for 320. Went ahead and ordered it, Paypal pays for it for you, but you have to make sure you put the money into your checking account after 14 days so it will pay Paypal back. Im only making about 650 every 2 weeks and paying other bills as well so I took 160 out of that check when I ordered the console and the other half out when I got paid again. Its a way to get you the console and you’ll get a small window to scrap up the money you owe without paying for it all at once.

  • pulseimpact

    They said the same thing about COD Ghosts and then my stats did transfer.

  • Kyle Soule

    Didnt aw have this?

  • Jeremy

    They need to at least stick in the transfer !! All said cause people are gunna stay on old gen if it doesn’t ???

  • Bilal Karim

    I bought B03 for xbox 360 made it pretty far, now i play on xbox one and i have to start over