Treyarch has released a new game settings update on PS4 and Xbox One. The version number should be 33.18.20.* (*last number may vary by platform).

The update includes weapon nerfs and buffs, medals and challenges fixes, Arena CTF changes, and more.

On Reddit, Vonderhaar announced the weapon changes:

Nerfed

  • Gorgon
  • XR-2
  • Pharo
  • VMP
  • Haymaker

Buffed

  • Razorback
  • HVK-30
  • Dingo
  • KRM-262
  • Argus
  • Locus

Vahn stated that most of the edits were very small; some changes edited the clip sizes to damage ranges; ADSs times and more.


SOURCE: Reddit

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  • KK5

    Make my shotguns good! They felt weak overall and definitely needed a buff.

    P.S. FIRST!

    • Maciej Ray Marcin Zaremba

      seriously, the haymaker was too OP to spray and pray

      • KK5

        I like to use pump shotguns, and those seem too weak.

        • fires

          The krm got a heavy range nerf from the beta, and i think the pump too. The Argus got a buff though, and that shit melts people when you ADS (gives it a slugshot instead of spray). Rapid Fire Argus is kind of OP — I was dropping 80 Bombs on Nuk3town pretty regularly

      • Cody

        well the other shotguns are not really worth anything atm:( the KRM only kills if you are literally at point blank range, and half the time it will take at least 2 shots, meaning you are screwed. if the enemy fires back. The semi auto simply cannot compete with the haymaker. The argus works if your aim is good(which mines is not, therefore I cannot use it. lol. not now anyway. its getting there though)

        you think I like using the haymaker? πŸ™ it is OP as heck, it has the range of an smg sometimes. I have gotten headshots with it from hip-fire a good distance away from my enemies. But as of now it is the only decent shotgun that I have going for me. If the KRM had more range, I would use it instead

        • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

          Are you fucking kidding me? the Argus has better range than most the snipers.

          • Cody

            i can barely outrange SMGs with the argus, how are you outranging sniper rifles? Even with the haymaker it is a struggle to take on an SMG user due to the fact SMGs outrange shotguns. I have to be really close to do anything.

    • TheNuGawd

      Yeah but the Argus didn’t need one that Shit was God like. Just ADS and you’ll know what I mean.

      • KK5

        I haven’t been able to unlock it yet, but from what I’ve seen, if you know how to use it, it is quite dangerous

        • TheNuGawd

          Yeah, which is kind of good that you have to know how to use it.

        • ItzSikh

          that’s why lever guns are skill guns

  • FazalGaming

    GG

  • Thurd!

    • KK5

      Sorry bud. Love your taste!

  • I thought the Razorback was a little weak. Good it got a buff. I tried out the Gorgon and even though it killed fast it took too long to bring up to shoot even with quick draw.

    • iiGMack

      agree with you when it comes to rushing with the gun, but if you sit in a headglitch ADS’ing it is way ridiculous. unfortunately the community has taken a turn towards constant headglitching so this is a real problem πŸ™

  • ThisGuy

    Icr really needs a mid range buff

    • TheNuGawd

      Agreed

  • TaylzTV

    I’m very surprised they touched the Argus, it seemed like a very good shotgun. I didn’t see really any problem with it. o.o

    • CoDforever

      Its no KSG thats for sure

  • First year I can remember they’ve been able to do game updates without patches? Is that a Treyarch thing?

    • TaylzTV

      Technically it is a patch, just game setting changes that changes weapon coding etc just through booting up the game you’ll see it download, more of just a hotfix. But I get watcha mean. πŸ˜›

  • Dum…

    Where’s the weevil buff?! It loses to all other smgs in 1v1 situations.

    • TheNuGawd

      Not at all that Shit is my baby. It’s God level. Just only use the irons and put grip on it.

      • Dum…

        I agree that it is good but I think it could use a slight damage buff at mid-ranges.

    • Guywithbrains

      I was also waiting for Weevil buff but so far nothing. It is very similar to P90 and that is why I like it.

    • ccrows

      We can’t do everything at once, and don’t worry Treyarch will still make changes just for the sake of making changes to make TYers happy… πŸ™

      • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

        LMAO at your ignorance.

        • Nella

          dude you’re annoying

        • ccrows

          Hmmmm welp after reading your counter enlargement I guess I need to agree with you kid… <_<

    • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

      No it doesn’t. the Weevil is a beast.

      • Kobrah

        No it’s not

  • RedRen

    Didn’t they nerf the Razorback after beta?? Now they buff it???

    • Dante

      That’s what I was saying. They nerf the Razorback to buff it again.

      • RedRen

        It was OP in Beta, then a POS in-game. Maybe now it has some balance.

    • TheNuGawd

      It was weak though

  • Stefan Lang

    Why the hell was the VMP nerfed??

    • TheNuGawd

      It was melting people

      • Stefan Lang

        I’d rather it melt than suck.

        • CoDforever

          The MSMC in bo2 was still the most used weapon like 7 nerfs later and still is, so trust me VMP will still be fun to use

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          I wouldn’t. Shit was annoying.

        • ccrows

          If every gun “melts” then you run the risk of this game being “Ghosts melty” and that will drive people back to BO2…

          • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

            BO3 TTK is higher than Ghost.

          • Kobrah

            Every CoD has I higher TTK then Ghosts

          • Capten ermirica

            Fag

          • Kobrah

            ??

            Edit: I see you are just a troll, nvm

          • TheNuGawd

            No. Ttk was the highest in ghosts

          • Kobrah

            Ghosts definately has the lowest mate

          • Mario Rivera

            Bo3 has the lowest ttk in cod history.

          • CoDforever

            WTF no, you clearly never played ghosts

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            BO3’s TTK feels the same as Ghosts and AW, to me.

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            It s fast, but not the enough to compare to Ghosts or MW2. It s really similar to AW s tho.

          • DillaryHuff .

            Was the TTK in MW2 really that fast? I feel that the past 3 CoDs have had significantly faster TTK than in previous games in the franchise. In the Modern Warfare games, and in the first Black Ops, I frequently managed to turn around and kill an enemy that was already shooting at me from behind, thanks to having a high sensitivity setting. I rarely manage to do so, nowadays.

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            Yeah it was really fast imo.But since BO we ve only 3 fast TTK :Mw3’s, Ghosts and AW’s.BO2 was the last game that had slow TTK (excluding BO3)

          • ccrows

            I get that’s your opinion and all, but there’s no Freaking way BO3 is as melty as Ghosts.

            Something is seriously wrong with your connection if you truly believe that…

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            4-bar connection. I’m just getting insta-killed and I don’t like CoDs where I feel like that’s the case.

          • Mario Rivera

            Oops I actually meant to say it has the highest ttk in cod history. As for lowest its actually MW2 as stopping power and rapid fire could be run together.

          • ccrows

            Bro, (with all due respect) you’re not grasping the concept of TTK… πŸ™

          • Capten ermirica

            Prick

          • Ell torn

            Weiner of worst troll award.

          • Ell torn

            Ha “Ghosts Melty” … only if you could find people in under 10 minutes on those huge ass maps.

        • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

          so you’d rather be carried by a gun than your own skills?

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            That’s actually not a bad rebuttal.

          • Stefan Lang

            Im good with most weapons but I don’t think it needed a nerf. A gun’s performance will never determine my skill.

          • DillaryHuff .

            I honestly haven’t noticed any significant difference in any of the nerfed or boosted guns that I’ve tried since the update. I have noticed that less people seem to use the VMP now, though. From what I can tell, they don’t seem to be nerfing guns to the point where using them is out of the question.

          • Ell torn

            I dunno, before the nerf even on a bad day I could shred with the VMP, not so much now, still a solid gun if you keep that thing aimed properly. Shotguns, now they need a nerf.

          • IlELPePelI

            noooooooooooo
            if u want to counter act the shot guns then get a knife screw u

    • ItzSikh

      vmp was like msmc

      • PuddingAuxRais1ns

        No it wasn’t. The VMP was more like the MP7/Vector from BO2. It wasn’t OP by any means. The Vesper is better imo, and more so now than it was before.

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          I think that’s good, because it’s a fun gun to use, IMO.

        • DillaryHuff .

          Vesper isn’t even nearly as accurate as the VMP was pre-nerf. The slightly higher fire rate never fully compensated for that – otherwise, that gun would’ve most likely been nerfed as well.

        • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

          The VMP was more forgiving for being bad. Which made bad players better than what they were.

    • ccrows

      Don’t worry, everyone is gonna move to the Kuda now, and then that will get nerfed soon too.

      *ugh* This game was near perfect with weapon balance out of the box, and now Treyarch is making changes just for the sake of making changed and putting $ in YT pockets… πŸ™

      • DillaryHuff .

        Near perfect? Someone says that about every new Call of Duty game, in hope that the developers won’t nerf their “UMP45s”, “ACRs”, and more recently, Gorgon. I’m not a fan of LMGs, personally, but I did make a Gorgon class just to see for myself whether or not it was as overpowered as people claimed it was. In hindsight, I’m a bit baffled that Treyarch didn’t realize how overpowered it was until after the game had been released.

        You’re probably right that people will now just switch to Kuda and Vesper, but that doesn’t serve as an argument in defense of the VMP being too overpowered.

        • Capten ermirica

          over powered? Bellend. I’m prestige 3 and the only thing that’s over powered in this game is that fucking poxy bow and arrow sparrow piece of shit. Best mp experience since bo2. Fact. Typical mincer with no point. Queer.

          • RebornAngel666

            Shit get a life. Prestige 3? Lmao. Nerf showing off his rank on a game. Ayyyy who’s getting pussy tonight?? ‘Claps’ buddy.’

          • ItzSikh

            hello filthy casual

          • RebornAngel666

            Stfu fucker

          • ItzSikh

            that makes sense illiterate child.

          • Mario Rivera

            That bow and arrow is probably the weakest among specialist weapons lol

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            That thing is so rewarding to use. All of the Specialists are. It’s why this is my favorite CoD since BO1. Now I just need to figure out how to get my KD up.

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            Want to get your k/d up ? Play TDM. Nothing but noobs under lvl 20 and casuals. I was gettin 1.50 – 3 k/d in DOM, at TDM I get 8 k/d ++ lol.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Alright, I’ll do that lol. Only reason why I mainly played KC and DOM was because I wanted to rank up.

          • emgee

            TDM is odd this time around.. a lot more ‘campy’

          • ladh

            TDM has always been campy, but I’ve also seen mass campers in Domination as well

          • Ell torn

            too cool for TDM ha. Why lie about your stats bro? It’s unbecoming.

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            I m not lying son. There s a thing called Theater Mode , you should look it up.

          • Ell torn

            Why lie? Why?

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            Ok this is the part where I end this random conversation. Pro Tip: don t be so butthurt just bc you have a negative K/D πŸ˜‰

          • Ell torn

            I’ll wear my KD with pride mate, it’s only a game. I’m not on here lying about it to feel cool. haha loser.

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            Haha but I never mentioned my k/d. I just said I was getting 8 k/d games in TDM.Which is true bc TDM is easy.

          • Ell torn

            Keep backin’ it up bro.

          • DillaryHuff .

            Typical, British internet hero who jumps on the first excuse to boast about his vocabulary of foul words and insults πŸ˜›

            I don’t think the sparrow is over-powered at all, but unlike you, I do realize that it’s just my subjective opinion. Now, that’s an actual fact.

          • Ell torn

            Chill bro, you got some real gay hate in you, or maybe it’s your love of penis shining through? All of the Specialists are OP as fuck, which in turn makes them balanced, if you can use them correctly, Sycthe is a fucking beast of a weapon.

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          The Vesper is not a very good at long ranges. It is outclassed. I do agree with everything you said, though.

          • DillaryHuff .

            Yeah, the Vesper is definitely not a good gun for all situations. It’s unrivalled in close quarters, though.. if you can manage to control it’s recoil. I don’t believe that the Vesper is overpowered, per say, but I do believe that a lot of people use it purely based on it’s close quarter proficiency. I’ve lost track of all the corner campers who have killed me with only a few stray bullets from the Vesper, grazing me as I’ve run past them. It may not be the easiest gun to control, but it’s probably the most forgiving gun for people who can’t keep their aim on target for longer periods of time.

            ccrows, you’re just reading what you want to read. Good for you. I’ve noticed that many of the people who were praising Black Ops 2 for being oh-so-balanced are now talking about how awesomely overpowered MSMC was. The people who said the same thing about Advanced Warfare are now using the BAL assault rifle as a reference for exceptionally overpowered Call of Duty guns. Again, I’m convinced that a lot of the people who always rage over the first indication of a weapon nerf, are the people who can’t stand the thought of having to go through a trial and error process of finding a new “best gun”.

        • ccrows

          There’s no UMP45 or ACR in this game brah, and you only gave me one example (Gordon).

          ^ So congratulations, you just agreed with me that this game is “near perfect” with weapon balance!… *SMH*

        • Neo

          >VMP is overpowered

          Are you all autistic or do you just not know what overpowered actually means or how it even works?

          “MOST OF MY DEATHS ARE FROM >insert weapon here< SO IT MUST BE OP"

          Just because you used one gun for a bit and got lucky scores doesn't make it overpowered. That's like my saying the HVK is overpowered because I always do well with it.

      • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

        No it wasn’t. All the shotguns could snipe & the worst one got buffed. The Vesper will be the new go to. It melts faster than the VMP.

        • Deadly Ed

          the vesper only melts at very close range, at medium to long it really struggles to even stay on target, let alone do any damage. and it takes forever to reload, even with fast mags.

      • Tuby

        I am already in love with the kuda

      • Imventing

        I been about that kuda life. its like the mp5 from cod 4

        • ItzSikh

          it is the mp5 just a little different.

      • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

        It’s not even affecting the guns all that much. I think that the TTK is way too fast, but I think the game is even more balanced, thanks to this update.

      • FΓ‘bio C. Gomes

        Nice comment, It’s what Im currently seeing

    • Scott

      I hate it when they nerf shit…If you made it that way leave it alone, is the
      M8A7 good anymore

      • Timothy Brown

        If you can stay on target it’s amazing

        • Scott

          Can’t wait to unlock it. Had it Beta and it was very comfortable and powerful.

          • Timothy Brown

            Well depends on what beta you played. It’s weaker than the ps4 and I can’t really tell a difference between the x1 beta just know if you aren’t on target it’ll feel like you are getting a ton of hitmarks

      • DillaryHuff .

        While I get that it’s a bit unsettling that the developers change certain things that we’we become accustomed to, I think it’s a good thing that they do what they can to balance out certain weapons. As much as I’ve liked the staple SMGs and ARs of past CoDs, I definitely prefer it when developers manage to make a game so balanced that people are actually using different weapons.

    • Aymen Skiken

      played with the locus , didn’t even have the chance to fully scope in before the fucker killed me with the vmp,and it happened again with the vesper.

      • Mario Rivera

        U shouldn’t be engaging ppl within smg ranges with a sniper rifle.

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          Play Black Ops 2. It happens all the time. With Tactical Insertions. Fuck quickscopers.

          • Aymen Skiken

            yeah it happened frequently back then , but at least i could still take my time to scope in thanks to the increased health we had.

        • Aymen Skiken

          well yeah i try to get away , but snipers should be able to confront enemies at short range in cod, not logically ofc :3 also i used the vesper and its damn good in short ranged gun fights, and really bad at long range. so i think it’s okay now that i tryed it and seen its disadvantages.

      • That’s good.

    • Imventing

      2 shot kill close range nigga, fuck you mean?

      • Stefan Lang

        Idgaf about none of that. If anything they need to be buffing other guns like the Weevil and ICR.

    • Sexy Mcgee

      I thought XR-2 was kind of crap and HVK was fine. I thought balance was good at launch, at least with the weapons I’ve tried. The only weapon that I dominated above all else with was the pistol.

    • RebornAngel666

      Are you kidding me???

    • mak

      because the vmp was over powered to as fuck, what im wondering is why the hell they nerfed the pharo, it already sucked donkey dick is it was and now its 100x worse. i was in the mid of getting it gold and now its just a huge pain in the ass to have it equiped

  • TheWalkingDon

    Nooooooooooo…Not my Haymaker!!!

  • LovekillerX

    Oh Gorgon… we are going to miss that sniper lightmachine gun (add recon to make it a sniper).

  • Rorke File

    Still remember the PDW BOII patch.

  • Gooby

    wtf they nerf the VMP (which was perfectly fine) but don’t nerf the Vesper?

    • ItzSikh

      ask for a buff then

  • Guywithbrains

    I am going to miss you VMP, Gorgon and Haymaker.

    But they buffed Razorback which I just unlocked and it seems to be pretty awesome gun so I am fine.

    • TheNuGawd

      If you actually used the gorgon and camped. Fuck you.

      • Guywithbrains

        Today I started Fringe TDM and went 14-0 before I died with it.

        In addition I use trip mine + shock charge so no one can come behind me.

        Sorry.

        • LovekillerX

          Eeeeviiil… :O

        • Deadly Ed

          Or you can just use hard wired and walk right up and smash you in the back off the head πŸ˜‰

      • jordanxbrookes

        Whilst I hated Gorgon window campers, it is an LMG after all. Even I wouldn’t run ‘n’ gun with an LMG and instead play defensively with it.

      • ccrows

        I guess that was thing in TDM or SnD then.

        I mostly play Dom, and people actually moved with the Gordon… (although I barely used that gun) *shrugs*

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      Why the hell would they buff that?

      • Ak74u

        Your just posting idiotic comments so you want everything to get nerfed because your bad at the game

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          Fuck off with that bullshit.

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          I must definitely be bad at a CASUAL GAME. So stupid.

          • DEMOLITION12

            you only call it a casual game because you’re fucking shit at it lol

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            No, I’m calling it a casual game because CoD is a casual franchise. “You’re not good”. “Get better”. Cliche strawman bullshit.

          • DEMOLITION12

            “it’s casual because it’s casual”
            that’s not an argument, you are still bad

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            It’s an argument, and no I’m not bad at the game, you’re just using strawman bullshit. It’s casual because it’s made for a casual franchise isn’t a bad argument at all. How is it not casual? It’s their demographic. Maybe I’m not bad and you just like to excuse some poor game design decisions?

        • Noretrollor

          You’re*

  • Slothigans

    Finally they buff the locus. Hit markers for days.

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      Great. Now it’s time for the sniper kiddies to be annoying.

      • Slothigans

        I don’t know about that. I’d like to think sniping is actually a challenge this time around. The movement takes some getting used to I doubt kids would get that good at it.

        • ccrows

          Yeah no. I’m already seeing QSers adapt like “DSR adapt” out there already, and they are moving in numbers outside of the Chaos moshpit too.

          The last think this game needs is for BO3 to turn into a QS playground like BO2, when this game was almost perfect at launch with weapon balance…

          • Daviid

            what’s wrong with snipers?

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          Well, buffing the Locus just makes it that much worse… They’re practically catering to moronic snipers, at this point, and it’s sickening.

          • Nella

            Well what’s the point in having snipers in the game if you only get hit markers with it’ it needed a buff.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Then that just means that they cater to the quickscopers.

      • ccrows

        It’s already getting annoying before today’s buff they’ve adapted to the timing.

        *sigh* Time to save a class just for smoke grenades+scav+thermal since squeakers rage when they see smoke…

        • Timothy Brown

          I use smoke with my snipers ?

        • How are QSers and snipers annoying? I’ve played CoD since early Mw2, and in most cases I’ve noticed the good snipers (most that pick it up and do good have played multiple years) tend to stick in and control the middle of the map. Anyone who hits constant streaks should know to hit the middle of the map for a base 5-10 kill start on a kill streak before sticking to the edge to finish first round of streaks. This means you should rarely ever see a sniper/QSer, as the only time they are on the edge of the map is for a flank route. So you shouldn’t be angry about having a streak ended by one. Along with that most snipers miss when faced by an opponent with good movement skills (understanding of how to use cover, dropshots, and jumpshots very well). Even with a 56% accuracy on Black ops 2, I struggle hitting a target if they are constantly repositioning to better spots and changing position in a weird manner. Even then I have been able to miss 2-3 times and then kill the person because either they have a less dominate position or can’t aim. In Black ops 3 the snipers don’t even have aim assist, while all other classes do. With that said snipers in Black ops 3 must hit a shot in the chest and up.

          • ccrows

            I need a long rope to climb over that wall… πŸ™

      • If you’re often getting killed by the hard to use locus than you’re horrible.

        The snipers in this game are fucked after the aim gimmick they pulled towards acogs, thermals and sniper scopes.

        Almost all the snipers I’ve seen are incredibly incompetent because their used to OP easy mode snipers in BO2.

        Unless their camping or get the occasional lucky noscope their hardly ever a legitmate threat.

        3 sentries and 10 guys with ARs are nothing compared to a 6 year old with a DSR in B02

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          Yeah. I’m just saying that if they buff the snipers, they’re essentially catering to those same 6 year olds. I’ve rarely gotten killed by a Locus.

          • Oh, well fair enough, i misinterpreted what you said, my bad.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Nah, I don’t think you did, I was just clarifying.

  • Slothigans

    The gorgon was probably intentionally made for campers.

    • CoDforever

      this cod community is fucking ridiculous, just last year someone said they make you lag on purpose and now this?

      • Slothigans

        Lol.

  • spartanelite

    How do updates work in this game,they update it like everyday I’m not saying its bad but I haven’t seen updates like this in a Cod game

  • Benj

    Weevil + ICR 100% need a buff. Glad the HVK got a buff, but I didn’t think the pharo needed a nerf… hmm.

  • SonicDash06

    Personally i loved the vesper just as much as the vmp, sucks it got nerfed though :

  • Thatlazykid

    I feel like I’m the only one who used the XR-2 :/
    It’s a great gun if you know how to get head shots πŸ™‚

  • Matthew Jones

    Did anyone else have trouble downloading the update?

  • jordanxbrookes

    They buffed the KRM?? But I just sacrificed my K/D just to get it Gold :'(

    • ccrows

      lol, *sigh* we’ve all done that before.

      *meh* F*** it I’m probably gonna reset my stats down the road anyone at some point… πŸ™‚

  • Kurama The Nine-Tailed Fox

    Why did they nerf the XR-2 though?

    • Ak74u

      It wasn’t even op it’s all the youtubers fault. They started a “op weapons of bo3″series just because the gun is good doesn’t mean it’s overpowered smh

      • Drank Bleach

        Like I said before, they listen to the Activision puppets before anyone else. Pathetic.

        • Ak74u

          I was just watching chaos new series called OP weapons of bo3. The only weapon I could agree on was the gorgon, other than that, Pharo, VMP, & XR-2 did not deserve a nerf

          • Drank Bleach

            I hate it, I hate that these devs think these lame youtubers are the voice of the community. Fucking stupid!

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            I agree that Activision corporate sheep on YouTube ruined the franchise, but not in this case. I don’t magically think that Treyarch tweaked the weapons because chaosxsilencer made a video, but I may be wrong, though. Who cares? These weapons deserved it, except the Razorback buff.

          • CoDforever

            Thats NOT how patching works. They have their own in game stats at the studio that tell them the universal k/d of a weapon. If it is much higher than 1.00 then it will be nerfed simple as that.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Those guns melted people.

          • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

            Pharo & the VMP did deserve it.

          • TheNuGawd

            Yes they do. When a gun can out class other categories it’s op.

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          What? These guns melt people to fast.

          • Drank Bleach

            That’s fine if the guns melt people to fast to nerf it, I get it. More so on the devs look at the youtubers for their opinions, that I hate.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            too* don’t know why I didn’t add the second o.

            Over the community? Yeah, but a lot of people in the community were complaining about them, too. I wouldn’t be in a rush to judge. I understand your position, though. I think it’s suspicious, as well.

          • Not 100% true. Vonderhaar is all over reddit looking for feedback. I doubt they only take Youtubers opinions. It’s just the fact that the people who hate these weapons or call them OP have a louder voice than people who don’t think it’s OP. You’re more likely to leave a comment on here or reddit saying how much you hate a certain weapon rather than making a post just to discuss how much a certain weapon is well balanced.

          • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

            Those youtubers put money in there pockets. So why wouldn’t they listen to them?

      • The XR-2 was more powerful then the M8….I had a way easier time unlocking gold camo with XR-2 than with the M8.

      • ccrows

        You know what, this.

        BO2 weapon changes were what the Pros and Community thought.

        AW/BO3 has been mostly about what Youtubers thought.

        Sadly this should be ONLY about the community, but yeah I get it “money”…

      • Could be true, but they also read a lot of what is posted on Reddit.

      • Driftor even thought the weapon was crap.

      • TheNuGawd

        It was borderline op. Yeah it’s not consistant but it still can one burst people, also you can just hold the trigger down.

    • CoDforever

      outclassed the M8.

      • Ak74u

        But they nerfed the M8 they should of not nerfed the M8 then

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          Then the TTK would have been so much more annoying.

        • ccrows

          Nah if they never nerfed the M8 from the beta, people would be screaming BAL! around here all over again…

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      1 bursts.

      • Ak74u

        Get out of here with your redundant posts I just seen you comment on every persons opinion here in the comments section. Most of the weapons were not op only the Gorgon. If you think all of them are op then you are probably getting melted and don’t know what your doing. You’re plying the game wrong if you consider these weapons OP because I haven’t had a problem with any except gorgon

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          You’re an idiot. Get out of here with your bullshit fanboy excuses. The guns killed too quick, and all of the guns deserved the tweaks that they got, soget over it.

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          so get*

    • RobMelchor

      The XR-2 was my first love in BO3, it polished my aiming skills quite a bit. Now my go to weapon is the Man o War, love it! it reminds me of the HBRa3 in AW.

  • Ak74u

    Pharo was my favorite why was it nerfed? I mean it’s a burst weapon

  • Riskninja YT

    Xr-2 didn’t deserve to be nerfed

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      Yes it did.

      • kishan

        Actually nope it didnt. But I did some testing and only thing is ads time

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          Yes it did, it could kill in one burst.

          • Frank Rizzo

            High caliber + headshot

          • Wraith

            As a 3-burst should. What advantage would it have if it couldn’t do that here and there.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            That makes it too strong. A burst vs. full-auto are two completely different beasts. Burst-fire shoots 3 bullets at a time; and, in BO3, some of the burst-fire weapons in the game are… fully… automatic… I guess? I think it needs tweaking, because i can tell that it’s a bullshit-inducing weapon just by using it, not being on the receiving end.

          • Wraith

            Barely anyone’s on the receiving end. Barely anyone uses it in the first place. If anything, just nerf rapid fire on it, the one burst KO is inconsistent a lot of the time anyway. It’s really just the Gorgon and Haymaker I thought needed nerfs. When you get killed by them you’re genuinely pissed because you clearly reacted faster and were more accurate, but you still ended up dead. If you react faster than a 3-burst user, there’s such a low chance he could nail you with all 3 while you’re moving and he’s flinching, and be able to 1-burst you at full hp even if he did land them all.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Well, I don’t think that it has to be overused to be overpowered. In some CoDs, that is the case (AW). Even if the XR-2 isn’t used all that much, I still think that a burst-firing weapon should have the capability to kill in one burst. They’re unique weapons and should be treated differently. But I can see where you’re coming from and I wholeheartedly agree with your reasoning.

            I think the VMP deserved the nerf, and the HVK and Locus didn’t deserve a buff.

          • DeQuahn Samuel

            It still does

          • LostInPasta

            Only if you connect all 3 shots to the chest.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            I still think that’s too strong of a weapon. I do well with it. If I do well with a weapon on a game that I currently do poorly on, then it’s a problem for me, personally lol. If you asked me, I’d say that the TTK in general is too fast/low and it makes it difficult to have fun, for me.

          • DillaryHuff .

            I definitely agree regarding the Time to Kill. I personally prefer it to be slightly slower. Fast TTK seems to be the trend in the more recent Call of Duty games, unfortunately.

          • Mario Rivera

            Bo3 has the slowest ttk in cod history. Really tho

          • ccrows

            Did you not play OG BO? or heck WAW?…

          • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

            TTK and hit detection. The 2 main reason why I hate BO3 multiplayer . 90 % of my deaths are complete bullshit since I have the better reflexes and shoot first but still die to a moron hipfiring his M8A7.

          • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

            all 3 shots had to hit at point blank range.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            It was still a pretty melty weapon. BO3’s M16.

          • ccrows

            What? Wait, which M16 are we talking about here?

            & Please don’t say COD4’s M16 w/ stopping power, otherwise your connection is jacked…

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            We’re talking CoD4’s M16. It’s just as melty. Don’t know about Stopping Power, though.

      • Bogs Bunni

        I don`t think it deserves it, i`ve used it and it`s terrible, probably because I suck.

    • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

      No it didn’t

  • Negan Will Kill Glenn

    Thank god the razorback got a buff

  • Koolz

    The XR-2 didn’t deserve that. It’s been my fav gun up to now and the first gun I got gold, but idk about it now. I’ll probably go for the HVK now that it got a buff.

    • CoDforever

      It was a bit better than the M8 especially since you can spray.

      • Kobrah

        Wouldn’t the XR-2 be harder to spray with because of the longer burst delay?
        (I haven’t use either weapon yet)

  • Gober

    Anyone else miss the old CI? Sift, Rymaou, RileyWoof, JxB, Siliblik, Vvfz, Goten, and Shadowreaper? Scott and his gay spoderfriends have ruined this shit

    • YoungMurf

      Times change dude stop dwelling in the past.

    • jordanxbrookes

      I’m still here bro, only just πŸ™‚

    • w

      That Rymaou guy doesnt even deserve to be mentioned there, all his posts suck and he gets 0 likes. He still posts btw.. shows how much he sucks that you dont even know

      • CoDforever

        his post dont suck, seriously he is one of the few actual cod fan on this website

        • ScOott

          He is one of the few CoD fans on this site :-s Wot da fook.. I’m pretty sure everyone here is a CoD fan ? lol

          • CoDforever

            I meant AW fan lol

      • Kobrah

        Just because someone doesn’t get many likes doesn’t mean they suck

      • jooker-jr

        He is one of the best people I’ve seen on the Internet, if he has a good thing to say then he says it, if not then he doesn’t comment ( and really like that about him ).

        • Kurama The Nine-Tailed Fox

          That’s not necessarily a good thing. Pointing out the bad things and being honest is more honourable and can bring about good changes for a better future.

          • jooker-jr

            But it’s IMO better than just pointing out bad things without saying anything good about a game.

    • ScOott

      Me and my gay friends haven’t even commented this article.. Untill now .. I ruin c.i ? Y yew sey thes tu mee πŸ™

    • CoDforever

      why u no mention me fam

      • Juses

        Bcuz hez fagit

      • One Russian’s Revenge

        “You is obviously in the crew.”

    • Juses

      Y do ppl alweys fell teh ned tew communt deez dings? Ef yew dunt liek teh wey CI es just dunt reed teh communtz.

    • Koolz

      Lol I remember them, especially RileyWoof lol. ShadowReaper was a character as well.

    • You know Jordan has joined us…

      • RainZzZ

        Ayyy i found your Steam profile.

        • Ayyy, I accepted your friend request. ^_^

    • Caitlyn the Tankswag

      They are fagits.

    • One Russian’s Revenge

      “I should be in there.”
      >>

    • ccrows

      I’ve been here since Day 1, and I fully Agree that Old CI was much better during the MW3 days around here, but TBH Scott is OK in my book…

  • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

    Anyone else think all the guns should be nerfed? TTK in this game is annoyingly fast/low.

    • Ak74u

      No your an idiot I just watched you comment on everyone’s comment and say defend that every weapon is op and should be nerfed. I’m not having problems playing the game so why do you? It’s because your not playing the game right

      • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

        I’m not an idiot. Defending a game like a corporate sheep is the definition of idiocy. If I have to play a casual game “right”, then there’s obviously something wrong with it, like the TTK. What other ways are there to play it? Get out of here with that fanboy shit.

    • LovekillerX

      I don’t know why should I put half of the mag to one enemy when 5-7 bullets is enough. TTK is perfect now and I actually want to see some nice triple/quad feeds with SMG or AR.

      • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

        Oh, well, if it’s good enough, then it’s not a problem.

  • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

    Why the hell was the HVK buffed? It’s my most used weapon, and it melts people.

    • ccrows

      Because we wanted to make you happy, and if you’re not happy THEN NOBODY’S HAPPY!

      ^ J/K! IDK why they buffed it either… *shrugs*

    • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

      My first thoughts as well.

  • YoungMurf

    Really glad to see the Razorback get a buff. Good gun but low damage so good going Treyarch.

  • Guilherme Kaneko

    Just fix the Fucking Lag

    • Tsaki

      I know, right? One third of the times it puts me with a player host and in FFA most of the times there is a host. They really need to buy more servers.

      • Guilherme Kaneko

        The big problem there are a huge Lag in others Countries, in South America, Australia, New Zeland and Europe. You canΒ΄t find a match without Lag during the day. To play without lag you have to wait until 3/4am.
        Treyarch and Activion don’t give a shit about others Countries.

    • OpinionsAreFrownedUpon

      A Netduma would fix that.

      • Guilherme Kaneko

        No, the problema are the servers

  • VarietyDrags

    whats the difference in buff and nerfed? i just use guns however

    • J4MES

      Buffed means the stats have been increased and nerfed means reduced basically.

    • ccrows

      Ever go to the Gym, or use with a nerf football?

      ^ Same concept, but J4MES nailed what each one means in the COD universe…

  • Ak74u

    Where are the patch notes?

    • ccrows

      Probably not ready yet, but yeah I’m itching to find out too…

  • J4MES

    The Haymaker was ridiculously OP especially if you were running a fast class. It wouldn’t surprise me if players managed to get Long Shot medals for it as the range was ludicrous!

  • Yay for Locus! Nuu for Gorgon, Haymaker and VMP :c

  • BOB

    lol the XR-2 and Pharo weren’t even that great before. They had roles that they did good in but where trash elsewhere. The argus buff was really need though thing got only hitmarkers.

    • You kiding me?! The Pharo was a God Gun. It dominated every mode including Arena, it felt like RSBS from Ghosts. The fucking thing didn’t need to use a full burst to kill you.
      But I see no point in nerfing XR-2 I thought it was balanced.

      • BOB

        huh I have never run into anyone but myself using the pharo on PC. The haymaker, gorgon and vmp are in every match.

        • γ‚·γƒΌγ‚ΆγƒΌ クラウン

          Same here I’ve never gotten killed by someone using the Pharao i used it a couple of times it was pretty meh tbh.

  • J4MES

    I wonder if Sledgehammer are still patching AW…

    • Mr_ysi42t96

      What’s AW?

  • Xtrm Frosty

    Whyyy are they not fixing the stupid servers.

  • Thank god KRM-262 was buffed. Was getting hitmarkers for days at super close ranges. In Vahn we trust.

  • Its_Larsson

    Im happy with the HVK-30.

  • ccrows

    If they are gonna buff Snipers, then can we please have a “One Shot lobby” and let them all hang out in there… (and no Chaos Moshpit doesn’t count)

    • BOB

      The snipers are at a disadvantage you should be getting easy kills on them, If not get gud.

      • Slothigans

        That’s what i try and tell people.

  • Isokid

    No last gen patch?

    • str8socialdegen

      ur poor ayyyyy lmao

      • Isokid

        Im poor because i don’t own a ps4?

  • DEMOLITION12

    they fixed the lag comp too

  • Xboxisdead

    These changes to the guns u will not even notice stoo crying thats all u see on this site is crying fan boys go dry your pussy

  • lunator100hd .

    I mostly agree with this weapon tuning (gorgon was op as fuck). But if they want to make this game less garbage than it is, they should “buff” hit detection because no matter what gun you use , i will keep getting melted by noobs because my bullets dosent count.

  • Frank Rizzo

    The Gorgon could have used a buff.

  • Tacfire

    Great. Now fix the broken prestige system in zombies thanks.

  • Wraith

    Dingo and HVK-30 lesgo. Wasn’t a fan of the Haymaker and the Gorgon (even though I got rekt countless times by both). I’m weird. I think it’s mainly because I didn’t need people constantly yelling at me telling me I’m shit for using them.

  • LostInPasta

    Every gun seems fine for the most part, the only weapon that is worth nerfing is the Gorgon and I wouldn’t be too hurt if it wasn’t because i can still out gun it at close range.

  • Nick ⚾️

    Have they messed with spawns at all???? Last couple games have spawned in enemys bullets and some have literally spawned behind me behind a wall or something go through a door and im dead literally seconds after i kill them

  • QuickzZ-_-GhosT

    What s up with the XR-2 nerf ? That gun was pretty average if you missed the 1st couple of bursts.

    • Dr. Salim

      Every gun is average if you miss shots.

  • SuperImpact

    WTF Vond, my XR 2

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      It’s just ADS time. It’s practically nothing.

  • GTA V

    Lol every gun again and again and again. Glad I didn’t buy it.

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      If you bought Ghosts and AW, then you should buy this game, because, even if I’m upset over it and screaming at my television everytime I have a bullshit death, it is more fun than those 2 games combined, and should be the only CoD game you play for 3 years.

    • Ak74u

      I already like this game better than the last two if you should know that the black ops and modern warfare series are the best

    • Stefan Lang

      All you do is come here to complain ?? nobody gives a shit what you didnt buy.

    • Tuby

      Stop spamming the site nolifer

  • Deathhawk

    Is anybody having issues unlocking the camo that is for 50 shot with no attachments? It won’t unlock for me.

  • Opie

    I guess I’m the only one who cares that the Haymaker got nerfed. It was a fun shotty.

  • Redrum

    Treyarch doing more than Sledge Hammer in 12 months…………

    • Nah, Sledge hammer did really good with patches. It was ghosts that couldn’t keep up with updates.

      • LovekillerX

        Yep and they actually released many patches to keep the game updated. They did good job when it comes to keeping the game updated at least on current gen.

      • jooker-jr

        But sometimes, the patch the wrong things.

  • Drasadex

    just got a new Game Settings change. Now 33.19.20.1

  • matt murdock

    Anyone else have the issue where they cant progress the two camo challenges that require you to have no attachments and 5?

    • ScOott

      Remove the gun completly.. Then put it back again .. Worked for me ..

      • matt murdock

        cheers

  • Dr. Salim

    “Too early for weapon changes” -Vahn

    • RainZzZ

      I’m le plague doct0r ☞ಠvಠ☞

  • Dr. Salim

    How bout you buff the p-06 and the 205?

    • Kobrah

      That sniper is so useless. I can’t think of a single situation where it would outclass any other weapon in the game

  • Brad of Duty

    Snipers buffed? Here come the quickscoping 9 year olds *sigh* smfh

  • Mike d

    We’re the facks my ballistic knife treyarch???

  • Myst Ls

    So was it damage that was buffed on the Locus?

  • WNANKER

    NOT THE VMP NOOOOOOOOOO

  • str8socialdegen

    am lurking fur pleyers whuv gut sweg n cemp en bek uv mapz 2 troll fagits. breng ur ieds

    gt: str8socialdegen

  • Bmeowmix

    I see everyone jumping on the “why’d you nerf XXX”, meanwhile I’m just trying to sift through comments trying to find out what the actual specific nerfs were :/

    • imBATMAN

      exactly

    • str8socialdegen

      aye ned 2 find me nu gorgon. my classes: gorgon, gorgon, gorgon, knife, gorgon.

    • Kobrah

      I’ve heard Gorgon nerf was mag size and XR-2 was ADS time

  • imBATMAN

    I hate how YouTubers are treated as our voice
    If the devs went to these comment sections gun balance would be better

  • imBATMAN

    oh by the way when are you going to cover DooM clan being the worlds first max prestige?

  • Umar Hussain

    I didn’t think XR-2 was OP. The question is, is it still a viable gun or has it been Nerfed into oblivion.

  • guest

    dammit the pharo was perfectly balanced compared to the other guns there has almost never been a triple or more burst smg that has been anything more than decent.

  • GTA V

    They need to nerf the battle riffle

    • str8socialdegen

      noep, en teh galo forumz ppl wer bitchin bout teh pistol. git ur fax str8 fagit

    • YoungMurf

      This site needs to nerf your commenting abilities.

      • Stefan Lang

        More like buff because his comments are weak and ineffective.

  • str8socialdegen

    Am preppin deth threatz ass wii speak…can’t sleep w/out gorgon.

  • Bogs Bunni

    I`m back CI! Even though no one knows me lmao.

  • Brian Ausfeldt

    ..

  • bruno

    I play with irc, but I have a problem lacks a cammo for this weapon that is playing without accessories but I play and play and does not count for this weapon kills … has to be some problem could vereficar . thank you

    • White

      Had the same problem. Remove all the accessories, the camo and the gun prestige thing (tag clan or kill counter) and it should work. At least it worked for me.

    • Kobrah

      I think I heard someone completely removed the weapon from the class and then added it back and it fixed the problem

  • FazalGaming

    But we need specifics on how they are nerfed/buffed.

  • No patched on PC platform?

  • RebornAngel666

    BUFF THE ICR!!

    • YoungMurf

      I agree dude, great gun but weak AF.

      • zack

        No. Put long barrel, rapid fire and high caliber and it’s the best.

      • RebornAngel666

        I know. It’s amazing. I still do great with it, but it gets outmatched by almost every other gun in the game. Fucking BS, they should’ve buffed that instead of the stupid razorback!

  • Seamus

    Why the hell is razorback buffed it was already op

    • YoungMurf

      The damage was quite low on it though.

    • γ‚·γƒΌγ‚ΆγƒΌ クラウン

      Razorback was op in the beta. But it sucked so much in the full game. The nerf they did efter the beta severely crippled the gun. I’m glad they buffed it.

      • One Russian’s Revenge

        “I’m really liking that anime.”

  • Mikey9835

    As a casual shotgunner, I love the Argus, and now Its been buffed πŸ˜›

    • jooker-jr

      So there’s a causal shotguner and a competitive shotgunner ?

  • zack

    Why nerf the xr2 and not the m8. The m8 was the better gun before this. So now the xr2 is completely useless.

  • ArtisanKnight

    Yes, maybe you can actually kill people with Gorgon even though you hit first in close quarters with an smg. I’m sorry but this game hasn’t been the most balanced, in fact it’s pretty much like variants have returned. When will cod have its skill factor back?

    • jooker-jr

      What skill factor ?

      • FazalGaming

        The thing that made COD different from other FPS games is that it is a fun run & gun game that requires little skill.

      • ArtisanKnight

        To some extent it was. But not anymore

        • jooker-jr

          While there wasn’t a big skill factor in the first place, I get what you mean by it, cod4, while it have a huge skip gap, it was bigger than a lot of cods.

          • ArtisanKnight

            Yeah, but as of now, black ops 3 is so gimmicky and skilless, I think I’ll just go to battlefront. The beta was a lot more fun than Blops 3 beta and full game.

    • Frankenstien

      Skill factor?? It’s a friggin video game for christ’s sake. Lmao on that one. It takes skill to be good at hand making fine furniture. To be good at a video all it takes is time and being a play baby. Just have fun with it so your eye don’t twitch anymore.

      • ArtisanKnight

        Well, mister, what do you call someone who’s better than you at something? Skillful right. It doesn’t make a difference if it’s a video game, or basketball….for Christs sake.

  • Name

    Dark matter camo?

  • One Russian’s Revenge

    “All these comments on nerfs and buffs just makes me want to.. Really really wish I had a PS4, I really want to play this game.”
    ;v ;
    “Gimme a kickstarter dammit.”

  • Jay Evan

    You know what I have just realized? Every one is stantly writing comments saying how OP a certain gun is, and people argueing how bad said gun would be.
    Just goes to show how balanced most weapons are.

  • Polyy

    Yes dingo is getting buffed lol

    • RainZzZ

      Dingo dongo

  • KING WOLFE

    I’m still killing with 2 shots using the gorgon

    • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

      Only its magazine size was nerfed. These devs make no sense. They need to nerf the damage.

      • Guywithbrains

        I really like HVK-30 and Razorback now because they got buffed. Although out of 10 matches about 3-4 are lagging (everyone’s ping bars going up and down quickly). Because of this I might not get 100% right feel about how good the guns really are because time to kill is inconsistent (melt down vs. whole magazine and you end up being dead).

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          The HVK was my most-used gun with the highest K/D pre-patch. Razorback has got to be OP, now. I heard it was, in the beta. That reason (lag compensation/networking logic/loading 4-5 bullets in the chest and getting melted) is what’s throwing me off of BO3 and makes me not to want to play it. I guess if I didn’t care about getting my negative KD up to over a 1 I wouldn’t care.

          • Guywithbrains

            My KD ratio is 1.22 which is the highest from all Call of Duty games I have (MW1, MW2, MW3, Black Ops 2, Ghosts, AW and Black Ops 3). Although I don’t care much about my KD I just want it to be over 1.0 and I’m fine.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            I don’t care about it, either, but a 0.88 is not ideal for somebody like me, who has played since CoD 4.

          • YoungMurf

            Yo dude you were saying earlier about any gun you used should be nerfed cause you were melting people? No harm bro but with a k/d of 0.80 you were melting absolutely fuck all only yourself and your own team mates.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            The HVK alone could boost my K/D, but I want to use other weapons. VMP could, too.

          • ScOott

            Bruh Guywithbrains has a better KD than u, can’t let that happen, pull ur trigger finger out yo ass man ..

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            I should have a 2 KD. Most of my deaths are my own fault.

      • Digital_Veil_

        A 3HK at 300rpm would be most worthless gun ever. I could understand cutting down the 2HK range, but it needs 2HK in close and medium range to be worth a damn. Don’t forget MW2 had 2HK guns at 750rpm

        • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

          That’s too strong IMO. An LMG user camping in a window basically composes the matches to do their bidding. Same thing happened in BO2. I don’t even know if I still want LMG’s in CoD. The concepts of them as weapons are way too strong. They’re like snipers, in a way, at least in terms of their bullet size.

  • Slothigans

    Is anybody not getting the full screen when playing split screen? I’m playing on a 55 in btw.

    • ScOott

      I play on exact same, nothing can be done about it, so annoying when playing multiplayer .. Someone needs to tell Von to change it ASAP!!!

      • Slothigans

        Damn that sucks. At least I know I’m not the only one. But it should be fixed cause advanced warfare was the whole screen which I liked. So I hope it’s just a bug.

        • ScOott

          Every CoD has done split screen perfect part from this one, it’s not a bug it’s a design choice “to make it look better” n not as stretched .. Some bright spark seemed to think it was a good idea .. Hope they can still change it if enough people moan about it tho..

    • lunator100hd .

      It dosent matter what screen you use, i was playing split screen zombies with my brother and it was awfull in my small monitor.

      • YoungMurf

        ‘Small monitor’ lol answered your own argument there bro.

        • lunator100hd .

          I want to say that this split screen ”bug” happens refardless of the size of your screen.

  • Rupert Hoog

    My baby the Gorgon got nerfed?????? tf

    • lunator100hd .

      Your baby is still op so dont cry for no reason.

    • Slothigans

      Ew.

    • Mr_ysi42t96

      We got a head glitcher over here

  • Eddie Tupy

    when will they just make all guns op for certain situations again like in bo2 somwhat

  • Diego Diniz

    What about The LAG on Brazilian Servers?????? Dude, The game is UNPLAYABLE on BR Servers! More RESPECT with Brazilian Community! 2 weeks after Launch and they dont give a shit about this MONSTER LAG!

    • Kobrah

      I thought Vahn said he found the problem

      • Diego Diniz

        Yep, he “found” it…but NOT FIX it!

      • Diego Diniz

        Yep, he “founded” it, but not FIX it! The game is LAGGY as HELL!

  • Catarsi

    Dont know how they buffed dingo, but he remain as second shitty lmg with very bad bullet reg.

  • RainZzZ

    I still don’t have bo3 cause i need to upgrade my GPU.. DAMN IT!

    • 2012 models are dropping in price. You may want to look into something like the R9 270 or 270X on newegg. All the older R9s are dropping in price while they still have high performance. A 270X will give you 60FPS on high settings, and the thing is only like $160 at the moment.

      • RainZzZ

        I actually have a 2012 model – the Nvidia Geforce GT640 4GB! πŸ˜€

  • YoungMurf

    Hate to break it to people on here but lag is just an excuse I’m easily rockin’ a 2.0 k/d every game and I know I’m doing balls every game. Stop blaming lag, easy way out like rejack.

    • lunator100hd .

      Facepalm^

    • Alex

      My K/D is 3.07 and this game is laggy as hell with dreadful coding. Anyone that complains about lag is completely justified. I haven’t had it as bad as some people which is why I’m playing very well but this game is total dogshit in the state it’s in and no fun whatsoever.

      • Slothigans

        Wow I can’t believe people’s “kd” is still a thing. Smh.

  • Great let’s start making it so every single gun performs exactly the same and there is no need to even have more than one gun in the game. That’s exciting.

  • sion

    haha the jokes over treyarch turn back on the real servers please.

    • LovekillerX

      At this moment it is so laggy. I get good matches (over 5 K/D matches in domination) but the connection… UGH! Ping is 4 ms and I pay for 100mbs connection and package loss is at 0%. It warps me back to earlier places too often, no hitmarker when purifier’s flames are going straight to enemies in close range and bullets that go through enemies… I hope it gets fixed.

      • sion

        The point of the beta was to reduce this shit in the retail game but nope 3arch strikes again

        • lunator100hd .

          Sadly beta was beter than this.

          • Guywithbrains

            I can’t wait until Christmas arrives! Many people who get Black Ops 3 for Christmas are going to override the server capacities.

      • RedRen

        How are you getting 4ms ping???? Mine jumps between 50 and 80 constantly.

  • Activision says hi $$$$$$$$$$$

    For the god knows how many year running; everyone who was praising this game prior to launch is now moaning and it’s the same people who were completely overhyped and wouldn’t be told otherwise about potential concerns. Well, you lot got your just-deserts once again and you will never learn. Keep on plying Activision with easy money for the next few years but don’t whinge after release when you hate the game or have no desire to play. Did people honestly think this game would run well still on P2P with 3arc’s reputation? It’s 2015 and if there was no dedicated servers; people with basic common sense wouldn’t touch the game but yet again; people just throw their money away and get nothing but grief in return thanks to cheapskate development and lousy execution. Next month you’ll all be pumped for Ghosts 2 I bet! You only have yourselves to blame. GG & WP Activision once again. #masterclass

    • FazalGaming

      LMFAO no one is complaining about the game only the lag and guns, the game is a marvel, there is just lag which can easily be fixed and some guns which need fine tuning.

      • Guywithbrains

        When the game works it is a gem.

      • sion

        nobody is asking for a perfect game , I just want a functional game

        • FazalGaming

          The thing is, is that Black Ops 3 is a great game just not functioning as intended.

          • Activision says hi $$$$$$$$$$$

            Not functioning as intended is a critical flaw and the fact it’s still purely P2P despite the brand raking in hundreds of millions in profit every year is just a complete stab in the back to the users who blindly support Activision every year. There are tonnes of people complaining and quite rightly so – don’t be a deluded fanboy. Lag cannot be ‘easily fixed’ either especially with 3arc’s track record of ‘Lag’ Ops. If it was that simple; the game would be working fine for everyone. It’s quality is reflected in the execution and this is one lousy game.

          • GTA V

            Play halo 5. Literally zero lag. With true dedicated servers

          • Mr_ysi42t96

            You still here? Nice

    • Jenish Katuwal

      I think you should not relate inclusive pronouns into a personal opinion.

    • Mr_ysi42t96

      I’m not complaining, I love the game

    • Bob Upanddown

      You sound like a cry baby. Go play whatever you want to play and don’t let the door hit you fat butt on the way out. lol.

  • zack

    Refuse to play until the servers are fixed.

    • LLORT

      There are no servers; it’s all Peer-to-Peer.

    • Slothigans

      Ok then don’t play lol.

  • AcePilotDev

    First they nerf the Razorback, now they buff the Razorback…-_-

  • >clip

    • Kurama The Nine-Tailed Fox

      There is no difference in the fact they both generally carry bullets.

  • RobMelchor

    Don’t mess with the man o war :v that’s my weapon of choice now πŸ™‚

  • RobMelchor

    Good, the Gorgon was totally OP! It’s also the weapon of choice for annoying campers.

  • Deadly Ed

    Glad the KRM and Argus got a slight buff, i can feel the difference. less BS close range hit markers now.
    I dont get why the XR2 got a nerf though, it felt pretty weak to me. Only ther HVK is weaker in its category.

    i wish they would buff the silencers though, they’re pretty much useless on 90% of the guns in the game.

    The Gorgon needs to be 3 kill, or reduce its rate of fire, that thing is OP as hell!

    Overall the gun balance is very good for a treyarch game.

  • Diego Diniz

    What about The LAG????????????????

  • Figure i may as well ask here before my head explodes but i seem to having a very strange issue with my copy of the game. I can load up Campaign, Multiplayer and Nightmares mode just fine, but suddenly me trying to play Zombies makes my game crash.
    I’ve uninstalled the game and done a reinstall and that didn’t fix anything.
    I’ve cleared the cache on Xbox One.
    My disc is spottless, not a scratch or even a smudge on it.
    Anyone else have a problem like this?

  • Grenade Catcher

    more proof the beta was a fucking joke otherwise this would have been fixed before release. GAYarch

  • Diego Diniz

    I think the LAG issues here in Brazil is clearly a matter of SERVERS OVERLOAD! Because if you play at 2AM- 6 AM the servers are GOOD. If you play on weekends, the game is LAGGY AS HELL. So, its a matter of MONEY $$$…they dont want to spend money with more servers here!

  • Carl Toolan

    for god sake I was wondering why I was getting 2 hit markers with xr-2 and getting wasted obviously now it takes 3 hits where as it used to mow people down in 2. what a crock of horse manure seriously the game is barely a week old and so many nerfs

  • Chris

    All these console peasants. Shm. -_-

  • stephen

    now the vesper is near impossible to go up against because of how fast it is in mid-to close range

  • Ryan

    Really? You nerfed the haymaker because it was too op in close quarters and had range of a realistic shotgun? Why even add the weapon in the game if you’re going to turn it into a useless shotgun that gets outgunned in CQB by submachine guns..

  • Josh Mackus

    Does anyone know the exact numbers on the buffs and nerfs? Why do they just say a gun or feature was simply ‘buffed’ or ‘nerfed’. I want the DETAILS.

    1 block of Rate of Fire reduction? decreased clip size? etc

  • Ell torn

    The guns were never well balanced. Gorgon and VMP absolute melt machines

  • John

    Guys do all the buffs/nerfs comes on old gen (ps3/xbox360) too?