Over the last 24 hours, many users have been claiming (without any actual evidence) that Treyarch introduced Skill Based Matchmaking into Black Ops 3. Shortly thereafter, many users then claimed a following update reverted matchmaking back to usual.

However, today, Vonderhaar has tweeted stating that they did not just “introduce anything” and that “connection is king and continues to be so.”

 

Following this tweet, Vonderhaar has followed up with a few more stating that a tweak was implemented in the December 18th’s Hot Fix, but they did not understand its effects fully, and since reverted it back.

 

We’ll update if anything more changes regarding matchmaking…

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  • Jojomama

    he lies i think he took it out

  • Henry

    its true, yesterday i did felt sbmm on bo3 but today its all back to normal. Some people hasnt even play the game and are talking shit

    • HenryDF

      You “did felt” SBMM? How? What does SBMM feel like? Some lag which was more noticeable because you were looking for it, and likewise with a lack of scrubs?

      • Mat

        you stupid or what everybody in my matches where people of my same skill, no one was able to get scorestreaks and shit, today is the opposite

        • HenryDF

          You’re asking me if I’m stupid when you don’t know the difference between “where” and “were”? Go back to school kid.

          I noticed no difference. All across Twitter, away from people spamming Vahn, there were people noticing no difference either. Last week I lagged a bit and I didn’t do great – that means SBMM was there last week by your logic, right?

        • Johnathan Beckman

          Ever stop to think that maybe it was coincidence. A little competition never hurt

          • w

            sure was lots of “coincidences” happening

  • HenryDF

    There was never any proof or confirmation it was ever there. Rumours just started and spread like wildfire, demonstrating how fucking stupid this community can be sometimes.

    • Johnathan Beckman

      So ur saying that just because u didn’t do as well in a couple games they have skill based matchmaking. Maybe just maybe. U played decent players. U know. Just a thought

      • HenryDF

        Did you even read what I said? I’m saying that there was never any proof, rumours started and the community spread the rumours because some people are idiotic.

        U didn’t read. U know. Just a thought.

        • Johnathan Beckman

          Meant to reply to the other guy. Lol couldn’t delete

        • Aidan

          Roasted.

      • ben wills

        “. U played decent players”

        ya thats what sbmm is you thoughtless peacake

        • Johnathan Beckman

          No. Really? Is that what it is. Read my comment with a little better understanding of the point I was getting across. I was saying that maybe he got matched up against people by coincidence and had nothing to do with SBMM. U thoughtless peacake. Lmfao. Bad

  • Stefan Lang

    Well, ever since yesterday morning I couldn’t do good for shit but got on last night dropping 50-60 kills a game under 10 deaths. So it had to be there.

    • Johnathan Beckman

      Maybe u got matched up against decent players. Ever think of that.

      • Stefan Lang

        Nah, cause it wasnt happening through 7 prestiges ?

        • Johnathan Beckman

          Well than maybe u should catch up. Mr. 7 prestiges. I remember a couple weeks ago

          • Stefan Lang

            Nah

  • megashrooom

    Why?

  • jordanxbrookes

    It felt like there was for the last few days, then as soon as the new game settings came out yesterday, everything seems fine again.

    • tuby

      Personally I didnt feel much difference still going great.

    • Keshav Bhat

      Few days? That’s a first. It was only occurring (according to people’s opinion) after I believe version 43.6.22.5, which was earlier yesterday morning.

      • jordanxbrookes

        People only started mentioning it yesterday. I thought it was just me but then others started complaining about SBMM. After the recent version it feels normal again.

    • HenryDF

      I just don’t see how you can feel it being there. I’m always being put in just random games, but some days I’ll be doing great, and some days I’ll get put in Dom games where there are scorestreaks galore in the air and I can barely spawn.

      People only think it was there at the time and in retrospect because they’re looking for it.

      • Mick

        I agree. I couldn’t see the sbmm at all. My only problem is my shit teammates.

      • jordanxbrookes

        When you play normal matchmaking in Ghosts for a year and then play Advanced Warfare, you can feel SBMM in play.

        • HenryDF

          Yeah definitely, I notice a difference in Advanced Warfare over a prolonged period. I was constantly with better matched people and playing consistently rather than going up and down like a yo-yo with my stats.

          In BO3, it’s just random. Sometimes I’ll have a day of good games, sometimes a day of bad games. Today everything was seriously laggy, but I’m sure it’ll be back to normal tomorrow. I don’t know how easy it’d be to immediately feel a difference in BO3 though across the space of a few days.

          • jordanxbrookes

            I felt it because like you said it has normally been random pairing (excluding the scrubs always being on my team most of the time) since launch, but because it’s been over a month, I am used to the game now, and for the past few days, yesterday especially, it was nothing but sweats in every lobby, which wasn’t normal. Then last night there was a game settings change, and matchmaking feels normal again (excluding the scrubs always being on my team most of the time).

    • [EV] BLISS

      I also noticed that a few days ago, but people started complaining just yesterday, and the day before.

  • i never noticed… but we still have no explanation as to what those two hot fixes did exactly.. so who knows..

  • nammion

    I been beasting as usual so I don’t think that they introduced it. Maybe the scrubs are going back to their normal ways now that everyone is learning the maps so they think it’s sbmm :p

  • Tommy Ledge

    I played the entire day yesterday and never went over double positive in any match (at least 50) until about 4pm est when we all got kicked from the party saying we our version was older than the hosts, there was NO downloaded files it just had us go to the main menu where it said ‘checking files’ then we were back on.. IMMEDIATELY after this little blurp I was going 60-12 in EVERY MATCH and so was my party.. There is NO way that was random. Plus during the day I SAW NO 2-25 kids in any lobby and almost no low ranks- Even had a HP match where the lowest SPM in the lobby was 383.. Not saying SBMM was purposely put into the game.. but it was there yesterday 100% and now its gone.

    • DEMOLITION12

      it’s mainly lag comp working against you

      • Tommy Ledge

        Nope, i was right check his twitter.. implemented some tweeks then undid them to figure out what went wrong.

  • ScOott

    The placebo effect..

    • Guywithbrains

      People were overreacting for nothing. That uproar in Black Ops 3 Reddit was childish “I quit this game because I am not good at it anymore!!!!11”

      I’m glad it (childish uproar for nothing) is over. Moving on.

      • LovekillerX

        People seem to believe anything these days. Last year they said Condrey was lying now they say that Vondy is lying. So pathetic. I would like to see SBMM just to make these people quit playing Black Ops 3. Little bit respect for Treyarch for making an awesome game (when it works).

        • ScOott

          Why would u want people to quit bo3, u sound pretty bitter.. And it turned out Sbmm was in A.W thats why everyone hated it..

          • LovekillerX

            I meant these crap talkers that aren’t happy to anything (first complaining about scrubs being on your team and now SBMM). They could go play another game if Black Ops 3 doesn’t please them.

          • ScOott

            I agree with that, I don’t feel u can cry about sbmm then cry about being matched up with scrubs lol.. Some people just want that magic connection that gets them perfect team mates and weak opponents..

          • LovekillerX

            Amen.

          • Rezerekterr

            I found in advanced warfare I was always paired with idiots and the enemy was just as dumb. I’m not even super good at cod. There were sometimes when people destroyed me but not a lot.
            Black ops 3 on the other hand i feel like everyone even my teammates are better than me.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Yeah. I don’t know what’s up with that. I guess we all might have to show some in-game evidence for everyone to see how we play, because nobody will know for sure why we’re stating such things.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            Is that not what we all want? We all want to dominate every single lobby. That’s where an online game is the most fun. Not when the game forces us to play like competitive ‘pros’. However, that’s unrealistic, and I can see why that that could never be without giving kills on a silver platter. I don’t find the game fun because I get decimated without understanding why and that’s it; one’s own skill/confirmation bias, nothing else.

          • ScOott

            Like u said it’s unrealistic, two options have sbmm, where everyone is ruffly the same skill, so ur going against tuff enemies but u don’t have to carry the team, or random and risk being the one carrying ur team and have a mixed bag of players on the opposite team , I know which one I would pick everytime and it doesn’t involve sbmm..

            Saying this, I don’t belive anyone who demanded the removal of sbmm from A.W is in any position to ask for the removal of the poor players that are now in their game, just because they find them self’s carrying the team.. It’s kind of a contradiction, and like I said asking for that pointless magical connection.

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            So… those who complained about Advanced Warfare’s SBMM don’t have the validity to complain about “Scrub-Based Matchmaking” because it’s a “contradiction”, in your eyes? The issue doesn’t come from backpacking teammates; the issue comes from backpacking teammates AND them not helping fight the sweaty enemy players at all and costing the game. That’s the main problem with the game, right now. I don’t want either matchmaking algorithm to exist, and skill should never be a factor in any Multiplayer game unless it’s a Ranked playlist like League Play and/or Arena. The current matchmaking is not viable. As Thunder said, if noobs want to improve, then they can either go play Combat Training offline, or stomach getting pummeled in every lobby. Our lobbies should not be affected because of them, since the “Scrub-Based Matchmaking” puts us with the noobs against players that aren’t. It’s a flawed system like SKILL-Based Matchmaking.

          • ScOott

            So what ur saying to me, you want to play with noobs, but when they on ur team u don’t want them to be noobs and u want them to help cap flags and stuff? :s also u want to destroy the noobs but at the same time if they are on ur team they should play bots, that’s what I’m hearing..

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            “Hearing” lol…

            No, that’s not what I’m saying at all. Playing against “noobs” would be nice, but that’s not very logical. As for my bot argument; noobs should be playing Combat Training instead of complaining about getting pummeled every lobby and forcing the developers to ruin the franchise by putting any form of SBMM into the game, and SBMM already exists in ‘competitive’ modes. The lobbies should be exactly as they were in Black Ops 2 (even though it still has some elements of SBMM in it) and the Call of Duty games before it. Games are only fun when everything is in our favor, or by playing games with a “risk-reward” metagame. All I know is is that getting melted without even having a chance to fight back is the worst, most boring experience ever and playing against noobs wouldn’t make that any better; that’d completely take away the reward and satisfaction of the game. For me, as somebody who doesn’t enjoy the game at all on a skill level more than any other major complaints, I’ll just comment on here for arguments’ sake and if it really started getting to me, then I’ll just fuck off, because it would be a terrible experience and the rage would get so out of hand.

      • ScOott

        Yh I reckon it was just a case of people seeing it on reddit, jumping on bo3 having a few bad games and then blaming sbmm, it’s easy to come to that conclusion if someone has put it in ur mind.. Then they check people’s stats and because they all happen to be close it must be sbmm, ignore the fact its random and could of been put in that lobby with or without sbmm.. 2+2=5 in this case me thinks..

        • HenryDF

          I agree. I just had two really laggy games in BO3 and didn’t do very well. It happens – sometimes connection is flawless, sometimes it’s shit, sometimes I’m good and sometimes I play like I have no thumbs.

          But if it happened to someone and they were looking for something to blame it on and saw “SBMM IS BACK LET’S RIOT” all over Reddit, no wonder there was so much fuss.

      • HenryDF

        Even the mods have been sticky-posting stuff saying it was there/was removed. If those mod’s can’t be mature, no wonder that Reddit was so abysmal yesterday.

        • ccrows

          but Reddit is always abysmal…

          • HenryDF

            I hang around the Star Wars and Destiny reddits and they’re all pretty great. I don’t spend much time at the CoD one, but if it’s always like that it doesn’t really surprise me.

      • I dont think theyre complaining for nothing. I always get matched in games where my teammates are garbage and I have to tryhard in order to not get completely destroyed. Driftor’s video on teammates is probably the most accurate view of the games matchmaking.

        • Kobrah

          That is a team balancing issue, not SBMM, otherwise your team mates wouldn’t be complete noobs

          • ScOott

            Your looking pretty sexy In ur santa hat! Merry Christmas!

          • Kobrah

            You also look dashing. Getting into the Christmas spirit with Christmas themed camos and emblems in game too 🙂

          • I lost mine ):

          • Kobrah

            All that effort! ? I might have to buy extra slots just so I can keep mine till next year!

          • I kept mine from last year but 3 months ago my hard drive got rekt so I can only use my phone from last year, which sucks because I really liked that picture 🙁

        • Enrique Kersey

          I have to agree. Not because of anyone elses opinion. But I play 90% domination. And the teams are never balanced. Im always paired up with horrible teammates. Im lucky if 1 of my teammates goes positive. But the opposing team all but 1 goes negative. And its not occasional. Its almost every game.

          • Yeah. And everyone usually says, “play with a clan or party”. If i have to play in a party just to win, id rather not play. I like to play for fun, but i also dont like losing, which happens too much. My W/L has been the worst in these last 2 CODs than all the other ones.

      • jordanxbrookes

        Yeah, the amount of abuse being hurled at Vahn over social media was ridiculous.

        • LovekillerX

          I’m waiting for kids to threaten him as they did when DSR got patched. LOL!

          • jordanxbrookes

            Oh God I remember the “Snipocalypse” as we called it. That was the point that made me absolutely despise quickscopers. Even members of quickscoping teams like FaZe and SoaR were constantly ranting and sending death threats. I mean I hated Condrey, but I never once sent him a death threat. Kids will be kids and the quickscoping community is definitely nothing but fucking kids lmao.

          • ItzSikh

            there was also that video compilation of kids crying over DSR nerf

        • ArtisanKnight

          Right? I actually haven’t even known about any of this because I rarely play BOIII. Threatening another’s real life because of a fake video game is just ridiculous.

      • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

        Nobody should act like SBMM doesn’t exist at all. It was confirmed months ago that there’s SBMM in some form, by forming the lobbies and using SBMM accordingly. That’s why the matches are so close and it’s stupid. It shouldn’t be in the game at all.

        • Austin Michael Titus

          so close? i dont know what your playing but all i have are timmy no thumbs on my team making it impossible to not lose by more than 20 in tdm

          • BradyAlucard[sillibk]

            I’m always getting pretty close lobbies where we only lose by about 5 to 10.

          • ItzSikh

            it’s jimmy not timmy

      • ccrows

        Here’s the thing though, Vahn admitted that they made a change to the MatchMaking, people realized that the connection was a mess yesterday, and they had every right to react the way they did.

        In the end, Vahn has nobody to blame but himself for F***ing around with the MM, when it was perfectly fine before yesterday, and well today.

        If it ain’t broke, then don’t break it…

        • XboxISdead

          Nobody has the right to do what they did on reddit that was a disgrace just gives the community a black eye

          • Drank Bleach

            When one buys a company’s product they have the right to voice their opinion, as far as threatening, that’s just childish.

          • ArtisanKnight

            The cod so unity IS THE WORST, after all.

        • Drank Bleach

          Exactly what I was thinking, nobody to blame but himself for messing with MM.

        • Sanchez

          wow, yeah it was fine for you, yeahh it was fine for me too. But perhaps it wasn’t fine for as many people as it should’ve been.

          • ccrows

            Community upset yesterday. Community happy today.

            Sounds like the current system is working better… 😉

        • Steven King

          I’m in IT, The statement if it aint broke than don’t mess with it in your case break it, In the IT field everything can be improve and their well always be bugs to fix.

        • Nerve Damage

          The matchmaking in this game has been one of the most widely DISLIKED areas, lol… most find it to be very much broken… especially seasoned vet players (like myself) who should have been given a back brace when this game launched, lol. It seems like something in the mm code takes 1 good player… and stacks a bunch of nobodies on top of them and forces that player to either sweat to death and essentially win by themselves, or give up and let the other team demolish the mannequins they gave you to work with… it’s… a mess… already tons of youtube videos showing how it’s been.

      • Yeah, All those childish people..
        If only everyone could be as mature as you my friend 😉

    • ccrows

      C’Mon Scottie, his Twitter account was getting lit up yesterday about this, and instead of denying it he kept changing the subject to Star Wars.

      Then after they turned it off, the hotfix update happened, and Baldy then tries to drop this bomb back on us.

      Here’s a question that I have for you, “If SBMM wasn’t in effect yesterday, then why did this game get a hotfix update between yesterday and today?”

      Something happened, (the connection between yesterday and today are night and day different) and the update number changed after this happened…

      • ScOott

        All I know is my Connection didnt change, and every game I was in was different, some very high scoring games some bad games and just some ok games, I put it down to the fact my spm was to low to notice, but I felt how strong a.w sbmm was, constantly bad connections and constantly having the same score board and having to go mlg to do so.. That’s not what I felt in bo3..

        Now I’m not going to sit here and tell u, nothing happend, because I have no clue what happened (if anything) but if something did happen then I think it’s got taken way out of proportion, I dont think headlines on the Internet “sbmm is back!” was called for. I for one belive him when he says sbmm is notwas not in the game..

        I’m sure he would of loved to call it bull shit soon as the first tweets came through, but we know it wouldn’t of been as straight forward as that..

        Like I Said when people are screaming sbmm is back it’s easy to get on board that train when things aren’t going people’s way..

        • ccrows

          IDK man, there were lobbies where I was stuck at 2-3 people and it couldn’t fill the lobby yesterday (just like AW all over again).

          Like I said, people came after him yesterday with pitchforks and torches, and he kept changing the subject to Star Wars.

          ^ He should have denied it yesterday before changing the version number, and is looking bad because of this.

          Seriously, don’t change the F’n version number if you have nothing to hide before attacking us. Deny it before changing the version number, especially when I can find full lobbies today, and I struggled to find a full lobby (on my primary account yesterday).

          Literally, this is Lava and Pod Jumping all over again.

          & Listen, I like Baldy, and I love this game, but IMHO he F***ed up, and he got caught (again)… 🙁

      • Bmeowmix

        They did release a hotfix that changed matchmaking, but it wasn’t to change to SBMM. He addressed this already

        • ccrows

          Wait so Lava, shoot from bleachers, and pod jumping man addressed this today.

          BTW why was the MM “tweaked” in the first place?

          Listen, Vahn is hands down my favorite dev, but he has a history of lying. (heck no COD dev has lied more than Vahn, and yes I still like the guy)

          *sigh* but don’t try to save face, AFTER you changed the version number FFS… *SMH*

          • Bmeowmix

            “Lava, shoot from bleachers, and pod jumping man” …What?

            Anyways, if I were to guess, matchmaking was tweaked to improve matchmaking… So you don’t get into shit lobbies… So yeah that’s not too far fetched, is it?

            What doesn’t add up here is why they’d even add SBMM even though most everyone hated it in AW. They literally have nothing to gain unless they’re purposely trying to piss people off. (INB4 “Treyarch is out to get us!”) Hell, even if they didn’t cared what gamers thought they’d still have to go out of their way to change matchmaking to work that way. Unless someone could answer me why then I’ll never believe they added SBMM

          • ccrows

            “Lava, shoot from bleachers, and pod jumping man” …What?”

            ^ Really? Did you not play BO2? Did you not play the DLC in BO2 where Vahn blatantly lied to us in the trailers for Magma, Encore, and POD?

            “What doesn’t add up here is why they’d even add SBMM even though most everyone hated it in AW.”

            ^ *sigh* Activision & Treyarch are companies. They are both in the business to make profit.

            So what is different between BO2 and BO3? COD Points.

            What is coming down the road? Christmas Noobs

            If Christmas noobs aren’t being protected in some form, then they aren’t as likely to spend as much money on COD Points, which at the end of the day that’s all that Activision cares about. They don’t give AF about the online experience, or who you are matched up against, all they care about is making money on Microtransactions.

            &

            Before anybody attacks me, I’m (still) a huge fan of COD, and been with the series since COD2. But sadly there’s a lot of stuff (both good and bad) that has changed since COD2…

          • Bmeowmix

            Ah yes, I do remember the magma trailer where the lava was supposed to flow, but I also remember they said they weren’t doing that before release because it would have been annoying AF. Don’t remember the others though. Plus I doubt Vahn wrote his own lines for that trailer so even then it wasn’t really ‘him’ saying it. This is Vahn’s personal Twitter were talking about.

            Anyways, back on the real topic, Christmas noobs are going to play CoD no matter what; its in their blood. Just as they demonstrated in BO2 and Ghosts, micros aren’t at risk because of no SBMM. If anything the bad connections would be a turnoff and the current team balancing would be a turnon; if you’re bad the good players are on your team and the mediocre are on the other.

            If it were really a business move then tell me this; why would they change it back? You can’t even say “to keep the current player base buying” because AW proves that wrong; people will buy them regardless of SBMM

          • ccrows

            “If it were really a business move then tell me this; why would they change it back?”

            2 reasons:

            1 – To test it out before it goes live on Friday (if they still choose to do so)

            * 2 – To test out the community backlash.

            * Remember Trey used SBMM in the first month of BO2, and SH tested the waters with Advanced Supply Drops.

            ^ In the end the community is more vocal against SBMM than ASDs, and now we wait until Friday to see if SBMM returns, or if Trey is gonna cut their losses and leave the MM alone…

          • Bmeowmix

            If they cared about community backlash you would think that they’d give us the heads up about it and not say that it didn’t happen. If they expected the update to go under the radar then it wouldn’t be a very good ‘test’. If they did have SBMM and then lied about it, then it would imply that they don’t really give a shit about whether or not the community would approve of a decision like this.

          • ccrows

            “If they cared about community backlash you would think that they’d give
            us the heads up about it and not say that it didn’t happen.”

            Pffft – Did SH give us an update about SBMM? Did SH give us an update that Advanced Supply Drops were coming? Did Treyarch give us an update that BO2 (initially) was going to use SBMM.

            It’s like any business, test the waters and see what you can get away with.

            & whatever you can get away with, then do it/keep it and act like nothing happened…

          • CrowsCRYS

            Jesus christ dude are you that booty hole hurt get over it stop acting like this is gonna affect your life in some way u dont make money from playing cod so shut up your just trash at the game

          • ccrows

            You are on a COD website that talks about COD.

            More specifically you are on a COD website, that has an article about yesterday’s MM, and keep in mind that “You” chose to click on this article.

            Obviously you care too, otherwise you wouldn’t be here…

      • Siftblade

        Yeah, it’s a conspiracy guys!!1!

        • ccrows

          Explain to me then why Vahn didn’t defend any of this until the hotfix went into effect?

          Explain to me why he kept changing the subject of SBMM to Star Wars until the hotfix went into effect?

          Explain to me why I was getting stuck on my primary account in 2-3 people lobbies, and when I changed over to my secondary scrub account, the problem instantly went away?

          Explain to me why the connection is night and day better today than yesterday AFTER the version number changed?

          If there was nothing for Treyarch to hide, then the version number today would have been the same as yesterday, AND Vahn would have addressed this yesterday…

          • Siftblade

            Well I’m not going to explain any of these things to you because I couldn’t care less. I just think it’s funny to watch everyone run around with their tinfoil hats thinking the big bad companies are out to get them for no reason. If there’s profit involved, Activision will do it. But if not, then SBMM would only bring bad publicity to Treyarch. What would be the benefit of putting SBMM in BO3 right after they saw how much negativity it brought to AW? And do you really believe they could change the entire way matchmaking works not only in such a short time, but within the size of a small hotfix too? Idk, seems kinda ridiculous to me.

          • ccrows

            You couldn’t care less, but you still typed up the rest of that?

            OK bruh… <_<

          • Siftblade

            Lol I couldn’t care less about these reasons you’re giving that have no affect on your theory. Just because Vahn tweets about Star Wars doesn’t mean SBMM is confirmed.

          • ccrows

            Talking about SE wasn’t the issue, the problem is that he ignored the community yesterday and finally admitted that he messed up the MM today, and changed it back under pressure from the community.

            It’s funny that some of you guys think that this is just me, but it’s not. Especially when Vahn himself admitted that he F***ed up the connection yesterday…

          • CrowsCRYs

            No he just proved a point unlike u did in ur last 3 books u wrote which is all you crying ur eyes out because u stink at cod

          • ccrows

            Cool guest account brah… 🙂

          • CrowsCRYs

            Cool Disqus account brah.. m/

          • ccrows

            Well thank you, I think that it is… 🙂

          • DEMOLITION12

            you absolute naive mong.. lmao
            you defend your retarded sheep opinions to the death then claim that you don’t care about the facts that prove you wrong

          • Siftblade

            “to the death”
            Lol okay dude, chill. I gave him valid reasons as to why Treyrach wouldn’t/couldn’t do that and he ignored that. His “facts” are irrelevant.

      • SoulTaker

        Rumor has it that Michael Condrey broke into Treyarch studios turned on SBMM and then saw that Vahn left his Twitter account open in his computer and then tweeted it pretending to be Vahn.

        • ccrows

          I heard that it was Glen Schofield so it wouldn’t be as obvious if he got caught… 😉

      • Bootyholehurt

        who fucking cares stop crying step your cod game up ur trash

        • ccrows

          You’re…

      • RdJokr

        Connection got fucked up, sure, but is there any hard, solid evidence to say that it was SBMM?

        Answer is: NO. All you have are people “feeling that SBMM was there”, without any sort of actual research or data to back up their claim. Aside from a bunch of people claiming that SBMM was there, a lot of people also said they felt no difference in terms of player skills in their lobbies. So all this SBMM bullshit was nothing more than placebo, and something else was fucking up matchmaking.

        I’ll quote Vahn here so you can understand: “This is problem with anything software development. If you change one thing, then something seemingly completely unrelated happens so you assume (and it’s not even unreasonable to do so) that it’s the first thing caused the second thing. When in fact, one has nothing to do with other.”

        Also, Vahn was out of office yesterday (because it’s the weekend, duh). God forbid him from going to the movies to watch Star Wars, right?

    • Mario Rivera

      I cant confirm or deny anything but from my experience I did very much so notice something to a SBMM effect after that next to last hotfix before I even saw anything about it on social media. I Log in to youtube, twitter, reddit, etc and bam, I see hundreds of people rioting over the same things I noticed. Coincidence? Probably not but obviously none us of know for sure. I do know how to dissect the carefully chosen words of corporations POSSIBLY trying to mislead us while TECHNICALLY telling the truth. Lets look at Sir vondy’s post a bit closer shall we? “We didn’t JUST introduce anything” and “connection is king” simply says they didnt add anything ENTIRELY new to the matchmaking process, It doesn’t say that SBMM elements already in place weren’t tweaked to have a bigger impact on our lobbies. Something to the effect of “Connetion is king” was also uttered by Condrey too and we all know how that turned out… Condreys interpretation was pretty much passing up the opportunity to place u in a chill 25 ping lobby just to place u in a 150+ ping lobby filled with sweaties that think they are trying out for the Optic pro team. As SBMM is confirmed to take a backseat to connection in the matchmaking priority list we all know that even the slightest compromise in connection could be gamebreaking in any multiplayer game decided by milliseconds. Making the connection compromise even bigger on a game that already struggles with consistency as it is would definitely be noticeable. At the very least, understand that there is a difference between the words Vondy chose and outright saying that nothing to do with SBMM was affected in any way.

    • Better than nothing!

    • Sexy Mcgee

      Nope, SBMM was in full force exacerbating the lag comp problem for a day until the hotfix fixed it.
      While it’s not perfect now, It’s much more preferable they stop messing with the netcode/matchmaking if we’re going to have another day like Friday.

  • RdJokr

    All these people claiming SBMM as if they actually worked on the game… IIRC, even SBMM got debunked in AW, but people were insistent that it caused lag as well. Goes to show how ignorance can ruin everything. Almost ruined BO3, that’s for sure. Thank God for Vahn.

    • ccrows

      “IIRC, even SBMM got debunked in AW”

      Are you F***ing kidding me?

      Wow. Why do you think that SH was banning Reverse Boosters?

      And if that wasn’t enough, Condrey himself admitted that SBMM was being used… *SMH*

      https://community.sledgehammergames.com/community/sledgehammer/blog/2015/01/17/a-fireside-chat-with-michael-condrey-matchmaking-reverse-boosting-trick-shotting-and-the-like

      • RdJokr

        And what else did he say? “The system we have today is, to all intents and purposes, identical to
        what Activision has always had in place, with the same matchmaking
        parameters, as previous Call of Duty titles.” So, are you trying to say that every COD before AW had SBMM too?

        People just want to believe what they want to believe. I’m just speaking from my own experience here: I didn’t feel the effects of SBMM. At least, not to the point where I would actually blame it for me doing badly in games. I’m an average player, and during my time playing AW, I was getting matched with all sorts of people: newbies, master prestiges, everybody. I usually get pubstomped more than I get to pubstomp. And there’s always a clear distinction in K/D between everybody. That pretty much goes against the whole “SBMM gets you evenly-leveled players every time” conspiracy.

        As far as reverse boosting goes, that is always an issue, whether there is SBMM or not, because they ruin the fun of others. You cannot seriously tell me that you don’t find boosters annoying.

        I’m not denying that SBMM exists in AW, but I’m saying that SBMM isn’t always the cause of why you’re not getting lobbies. This is what Vonderhaar was talking about: their hotfix caused something that made it hard to find lobbies, but they don’t know what caused it or why, except that it wasn’t SBMM. Yet, people raged and called out Treyarch for betraying them and whatnot. Which is ridiculous. It could’ve been the same case for SHG, except that you know, Condrey never got around to talk about it in details and explain himself like Vahn did.

    • Johtoboy

      It takes a special kind of stupid to believe there wasn’t SBMM in AW.

      • RdJokr

        Oh, so we’re resorting to insults now? Yeah, that’s real mature. I’m speaking from my own experience. If you can’t argue like a civilized person, then fuck off.

        • DEMOLITION12

          yet you called everybody who doesn’t agree with you “ignorant”… LOL

          • RdJokr

            “Ignorant” is barely an insult, compared to “stupid”.

          • RdJokr_TheDumbazz

            Stating “is barely an insult” is like stating … being a little bit pregnant is not like being pregnant.

            You are a true dumbazz!

          • RdJokr

            First of all, thanks for even taking the time to make a new profile just to insult me. I appreciate the attention 🙂

            Second, “a little bit pregnant”? Please, next time if you wanna insult me, make an example that makes sense.

          • RdJokr_TheDumbazz

            Because you can not make the connection “DOES” exhibit that you are a true dumbazz!

    • Onemanarmy

      i wish you get bankrupt by buying supply drops trying to get your AW weapons variants, you bitch sheep.

      • RdJokr

        Joke’s on you, PC doesn’t even have the option to buy supply drops. And I don’t intend to buy anything else other than the game and the season pass.

    • w

      if people didnt believe AW had SBMM, then they’ll never believe that BO3 will ever have or had SBMM

  • HenryDF

    Vahn’s just said on Reddit that the initial tweak that went live early yesterday causes issues going into lobbies. They had no hard data about it though. People saw it was harder to get lobbies, they’d get put in a game and get rekt, and apparently that’s SBMM.

  • LovekillerX

    Hey look it is that time of the year when people believe these conspiracy theories! Vonderhaar must be lying!

    Hold your horses people. We don’t know for sure if there was SBMM.

    • ccrows

      “Vonderhaar must be lying!”

      But you forgot the word “again” though… 😉

    • lunator100hd .

      Thousands of ppl started a war with comments in every forum related to cod about the same thing which was sbmm. Why are you refuse to see it? AW has clearly SBMM since day one and nobody in SH talked about it.

      • DeQuahn Samuel

        Condrey did address SBMM during AW

        • lunator100hd .

          After many months he just said that connection is priority over skill which was lie anyway.

    • DEMOLITION12

      get your deluded naive 0.5 kd out of here retard

      • LovekillerX

        Someone is clearly mad. Not my fault if you can’t handle enemies on the same skill level. Go to recruit bots if you start crying because of a challenge.

  • banerising

    I don’t really understand why people complain that they won’t be able to stomp scrubs, calling people in the same skill levels scrubs when all youtube gamesplay is tryhard city.

    • LovekillerX

      Stomping doesn’t mean some people are skilled. Some people really believe that which saddens me.

      • ScOott

        If u get stomped by someone with a better kd than u, then yes they are clearly more skilled than u.. That’s just logic..

        • LovekillerX

          Stomping kids below 1 K/D isn’t skilled. I would go play against recruit bots and tell others I’m skilled…?

          • ScOott

            But if u have a higher kd than them, and have just stomped them, that means u r more skilled? .. I think everyone here is more skilled than recruit bots because we can all stomp them..

          • LovekillerX

            Never mind I don’t want to fight with you now that Christmas is near…

          • ScOott

            Lol.. In that case merry Christmas!

      • tuby

        There is a an skill gap otherwise there wont be pub stomping at all

      • banerising

        I think we both have the same idea, like someone can be bad at the game but he can still stomp on others worse at the game than him. Doesn’t make either good, just one is better.

        • DEMOLITION12

          no bad player is “stomping” on anybody, no matter how bad the enemy is

    • ccrows

      Simple, when you put “Skill” over “Connection”, lobbies are going to suffer.

      Why do you think Netduma Routers (a router that even Charlie Intel endorsed mind you) became a huge thing?

      ^ It was to cut down on global match making…

      • banerising

        I understand the connection stuff, but from what I am hearing, mostly from big youtubers, is basically that they don’t like having to go up against anyone that has thumbs.

        • ccrows

          Listen, I had to buy a Netduma router to play AW, and that’s BS!

          Yes, I get that average to below average people want to pubstomp, but when you F*** with the connection to counter that, that’s BS too…

          • banerising

            They could do both, just would take longer to find people. I understand though, I’m fine with it as it is.

  • matt murdock

    he seems like such an angry little man

  • ccrows

    Just like Lava, shooting from the bleachers, and Pod Jumping weren’t a thing too, right Vahn? lol

    Anywhoo, I switched over to my backup account yesterday to see what the fuss was about, and yeah I was getting different “no thumb” lobbies than when I switched back to my primary again.

    Listen guys I like Vahn and all, but let’s face it this wouldn’t be the first time that he lied to us, and on top of that when “Everything went back to normal” yesterday, the version number changed.

    ^ With all that said, BO3 is in my all time top 3 COD games (when SBMM is not being used)…

    • Guywithbrains

      It is really awesome game and almost everything is balanced well. I don’t remember since when I laughed this much last time for sake of fun. I can even use knife and be the best player in winning team.

      I don’t remember if I have asked already but what do you like the most in Black Ops 3?

      • ccrows

        Hands down it’s a great game, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they turned SBMM back on Friday and leave it on for a few days to protect the Christmas Noobs.

        ^ Remember they have COD coins to sell.

        Still, if we get a clusterf*** of a mess where you even had 4 man FFA lobbies (some were even less), then yeah I’ll just slum it on my backup until the connection goes back to where it is today.

        Either way I’m having fun with this game, sans yesterday… 😉

  • Gamerazor247

    Lmao, then why the hell were SO MANY people getting butthurt and claiming there was this “crappy” matchmaking system.

    • Aidan

      Shit happens. Could’ve been coincidence…were YOU one of those people?

      • Gamerazor247

        Do I sound butthurt, I’m more amazed, but that’s not really the word i want to use to describe how i feel about this…

  • Aidan

    Everyone is such a little bitch when it comes to this
    “Egh! I’m not good at the game anymore?! What the fuck! MUST BE SBMM!!!1!!”
    Fuck you XD

  • Stif Meister

    Maybe it was the transition from the 360 to XB1, but I’ve definitely noticed more tryhards on this game than any other. Then again, I pretty much only play in Moshpit, aka Nuketown, so that could be the factor.

  • Hunter

    It honestly doesn’t feel like SBMM is in the game. People nowadays will seriously believe anything they read on the internet. To be honest, after the update, it actually felt like I was getting some decent players on my team and I wasn’t just back packing throughout the whole round trying to win. I also feel like I’m getting into easier lobbies.

    • Aidan

      I’m not surprised that people immediately blamed SBMM because of what they read on the Internet…

  • Aidan

    Guys, guys…I know why everyone had problems the past few days.
    Some parents out there bought BO3 for their 12 year old kid for Christmas.
    Some of these parents let their kid open 1 present early, and every one of those 12 year old’s happened to open BO3. They all started playing, and the servers filled up. This just so happened to occur when the new update was released, leading us all to believe that SBMM was put in the game. All in all, it was the 12 year old quickscopers who caused the lag, not Vondy.

    • ccrows

      *sigh* & *facepalm*

      • Aidan

        You never know.

  • ccrows

    Here, let’s make this really simple:

    Is there’s lag in the lobby (which there was plenty of yesterday) then fix it Treyacrch.

    Better yet, today’s matchmaking (& connection) is absolutely perfect, so please Baldy don’t touch/tweak/F*** with the matchmkaing in this game ever again…

  • lunator100hd .

    SBMM is not in the game at the moment but for some stupid reason they put it yesterday and the community set twitter and reddit on fire. I play cod since for ever i can easily tell the difference with my experience. The thing i cant get is why the hell to do this. They suddenly decided to put sbmm for couple of hours for what? They though ppl wouldnt notice it?

    • ccrows

      “The thing i cant get is why the hell to do this.”

      ^ To protect the upcoming Christmas noobs.

      There’s no boot camp, or online combat training in this game, so they tried to do “something” to keep the new guys around to maximize selling “COD points”.

      Also, I’d be shocked if they don’t turn SBMM back on Friday, and keep it on for a few days.

      Vahn will have the excuse that the servers are stressed, so he can (and will) be able to get away with it if he does turn SBMM back on again…

  • lunator100hd .

    43.4.22.5 was the version with sbmm last night
    43.7.22.5 is the latest version we have today with the regular matchmaking.
    I hope that helps everyone who still believes Von.

    • HenryDF

      Two different game versions? So what? That happens all the time. It has SBMM because you say so, apparently. For me everything was so much more laggy for me than it was yesterday – isn’t that a sign of SBMM?

      Oh wait, according to you, it was there yesterday and not today. Silly me.

      • lunator100hd .

        Tell me your stats mr silly.

    • Bmeowmix

      It’s really, really, simple. They release hotfix for general (not SB) matchmaking and then they fixed it

  • Bmeowmix

    Alright, so here’s my theory:

    1. Treyarch makes a change with an intent to improve matchmaking. Not SSBM, but just a standard ‘get better lobbies’ change. This goes poorly and causes issues.

    2. Casual players go on and have trouble matchmaking; instantly decide the slow MM speeds aren’t worth the struggle and do something else.

    3. Players that decide to stick around (AKA sweaties, better players, and people with nothing better to do) are put in lobbies with each other instead of casual players, who are ‘on leave’

    4. People flock to Reddit and scream SBMM. Rioting ensues, but hasn’t necessarily reached much of the BO3 pop.

    5. Tmartn saves us all! and he (as well as everyone like him) posts a video on how BO3 is SBMM now. Now the news has reach a very large pop of the BO3 community, including the casuals who stopped playing for the day and who also now attribute they’re difficulty matchmaking on SBMM

    6. Everyone tries to kill Vahn

    7. They revert yesterday’s changes and everyone treats it as proof as SBMM was present when in reality they were just fixing what they fucked up.

    • ccrows

      Confirmed for following TMartn…

  • Greg Sieracki

    The matchmaking is shit in BO3, every game of TDM the top 2 players in K/D are always on the same team they will put the 2 people with a 2+ K/D on the same team while everyone else has below a 2 K/D and below a 1 K/D!!!!! Advanced Warfare had better matchmaking and they had sbmm

    • ccrows

      It’s A LOT better today than it was yesterday though…

      • Greg Sieracki

        I’m not just talkn about yesterday its been going on for a while

    • DEMOLITION12

      how can you even know? you can’t see kd in this shit game

  • Wraith

    Honestly, I was always in a one-sided game most of the time, where 1 player did well, and the other 5 did poorly. Meanwhile on the opposite team, they all did consistently well in accordance with what others have spoken out about. If you look at all my games in theater mode you’d see it’s true too. Not trying to say I always have to carry everyone (because I’m garbage and am usually one of those 5 lame-oes). However, the only mode it ever happens in is TDM.

  • Ciaran

    I played with a friend who wasn’t yet prestiged. Im 7th prestige and when I joined lobbies with him I consistently found lobbies with non prestiged players….well maybe the odd player that did prestige…but I would have thought SBMM was there until charlie intel posted this. When I then proceeded to play on my own I saw way more high level players. but obiously it is not there so thats good.

  • Vonderhaar just hurry up and fuck me already

    • Beefcake

      I normally liked to be wined and dined before I get fucked.

      • Vonderhaar doesnt play like that but! he gives you a ring and tells you he is going to put it in da butt! you feel meh!?

  • Mario Rivera

    From my experience I did very much so notice something to a SBMM effect after that next to last hotfix before I even saw anything about it on social media. I Log in to youtube, twitter, reddit etc and bam, I see hundreds of people noticing the same things I did. Coincidence? Probably not but obviously none us of know for sure. I do know how to dissect the carefully chosen words of corporations POSSIBLY trying to mislead us while TECHNICALLY telling the truth. Lets look at Sir vondy’s post a bit closer shall we? “We didn’t JUST introduce anything” and “connection is king” simply says they didnt add anything entirely new to the matchmaking process, It doesn’t say that SBMM elements already in place weren’t tweaked to have a bigger impact on our lobbies. Just understand that there is a difference between the words vondy chose and outright saying that nothing to do with SBMM was affected in any way

  • LMAO

  • Dr. Salim

    3arc just gave us a 1 day beta of Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare 2.

  • XboxISdead

    Kids are so trash at the game they go and get run over in pubs and they start saying oh well its SBMM they put it in the game i am going to go cry and complain to Vahn on twitter and reddit because i stink at cod and meanwhile 2 weeks ago people were sucking Vahns dick this community is so childish. People just cant play the game its always something oh this gun oh this score streak oh this dick in my booty hole grow the fuck up and stop crying we should be happy for what treyarch has been doing for us

    • GinsuVictim

      >told to “grow the fuck up” by childish rant
      >laughs at idiot

  • Br4d

    I’m actually surprised at least on the Multiplayer side, it’s pretty easy to get in a ~50ms ping lobby. This coming from the guy who has Strict Nat on a LTE tethered phone.

  • Sanchez

    All they’ve done is improve connection since the last patch, i have been absolutely slaying, either because my internet is being ultra consistent or their servers…
    people need to stop looking for things to complain about, there’s nothing

  • Psychomaggot105

    So he denies it? yet then states they tweaked but then reverted back?

    • DEMOLITION12

      he denies that it was even there to begin with but it always was

  • Kill Denied

    Why is SBMM bad? I would rather play against someone of equal skill than someone higher or lower.

    • Guywithbrains

      Simply two reasons:

      1. It causes lag (not proved, nowadays more like an excuse)
      2. It makes people to not be able to play against Jimmy with no thumbs

      • ScOott

        If Jimmy has five thumbs he has the advantage, he can have a thumb on every button.. This is why sbmm sucks..

      • banerising

        Yeah, but wouldn’t you also have 5 thumbs being match with him?

    • lunator100hd .

      99% of the players are lower than me , imagine the machmaking when the game tries to find 1% of the players in my skill level. The game struggles to find good games even now without sbmm, are you too stupid to understand what will happen if they put sbmm into the game?

      • Kill Denied

        I highly doubt you are.

        • lunator100hd .

          Yes i am but even if im not then someone is for sure so stop defending sbmm already, call of duty cant afford anymore bullshit.

          • Kill Denied

            Can you prove you are, i’m pretty curious to see your combat record. Anyway you’re right, it fucks up the top tier players but it still should be an option for players that want it.

          • lunator100hd .

            It should be on Arena mode, but trust me nobody really want it, if you always play with enemies on the smae skill level with you, it will get boring very fast, sbmm ruined AW for almost everyone.

  • you go David. I’ll take his wors over any of these people that dont even have any actual evidence.

    Vonderharr is love. Vonderharr is life.

  • scrotesmd

    Least they reverted it sledge shit games would have left it

  • Deprece

    “Anything for subs and views. We didn’t just introduce anything.”

    Von is a savage!

  • cbns007

    Reddit, and certain 3 million subscriber YouTubers. This means YOU Tmartn!
    Unsubscribe, and stop liking his crap.

    • ccrows

      While I don’t follow TMartn, IMO it’s both sad and frustrating that Vahn ignored the community (and kept changing the subject) until AFTER the video was made.

      Vahn may be my favorite Dev, but it’s messed up that took Tmartn’s video yo get Vahn’s attention and address the community.
      But as I said before, Vahn only has himself to blame for ALL of this. Sure people are mad at Tmartn right now for making the video, but all of this mess was created by Vahn…

  • SPAWNST4R

    Connection is King…. in a game that has dog shit netcode, crappy hitboxes and still has p2p servers.. LOLz

  • AManNamedStar

    Although the connection sucked when the matchmaking tweak went live, I actually think it could have been an indication that there are so many people playing this game (remember no player count) that they wanted to try & see if the connection would hold up with some sort of sbmm… Anyways, I know people complain about scrub teammates, but we just have to go with the flow… Thought you might enjoy 😉 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2INA-EAxrfk

  • FazalGaming
  • Eddie Tupy

    i still dont get what there is to hate about this game, people just make up random shit trying to sound mature

  • imBATMAN

    All I want is Vonderhaar for Christmas

  • ColonelBazz

    Bullshit… The beta went great and since the game came out I’m getting more and more lags. Sometimes I just have to stop playing as it’s impossible to kill enemy’s that kill me before I can even see them -.- thanks to the annoying kneeslide. Why do I barely have any issues playing online, except for cod…

  • ColonelBazz

    Btw connection is king, but after the millions they make every year, they still use the same crappy servers lol. Youtubers used to say dedicated servers were coming to Bo2, we all know they get a bunch of stuff for free as long as they say how “awesome” the game is. But still nothing. Driftor said there were dedicated servers in the beta. Well maybe there is, but like 1% can use them and the other 99% are not on it. Maybe that’s why youtubers always have godlike connections. Like do they ever have lag? They see an enemy and easely have a few seconds to react, while if I see an enemy I have to kill him within the second or I’m dead…

  • Fly Mann13

    There was never skill based match making in COD, i either fried the enemy team easy or my team got fried that was it. If someone had a hard time every match, it mustve been that they just werent very good at the game. It happens sometimes.

  • AstroCyborg

    then why have the servers been ass since launch?

  • Connor James Gibson

    The connection is definitely not sorted on PC, I’m randomly getting Connection error on Zombies, campaign and Multiplayer :/